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Stuart G

(38,458 posts)
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:19 PM Jan 2018

Veteran sues after scalpel found inside his body 4 years after surgery.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/16/578366340/veteran-sues-after-scalpel-found-inside-his-body-4-years-after-surgery

NPR, Jan 16

Glenford Turner had surgery in 2013 at a Veterans Affairs hospital in Connecticut. Four years later, according to a new lawsuit, doctors discovered that a sharp metal surgical instrument had been accidentally left inside the Army veteran's body.

"It's perplexing to me how they could be so incompetent that a scalpel that really should only be on the exterior of your body not only goes into the body but then is sewn into the body," Turner's lawyer, Joel Faxon, tells NPR. "It's a level of incompetence that's almost incomprehensible."

The lawsuit alleges that a trainee surgeon performed the radical prostatectomy at VA Connecticut Healthcare System, West Haven Campus. "Subsequent to the surgery, [Turner] had unidentifiable abdominal pain at the time," Faxon says. "Nobody could ever really figure out what it was."

The object was discovered when Turner, now 61, went for MRI in 2017 for a separate medical issue. The magnet in the MRI machine "reacts to the scalpel in his abdomen, and you have to stop the procedure because he has all this pain," says Faxon. "The scalpel's moving around in there."

A separate court document describes the object as a "5 inch scalpel handle" — it's not clear whether the blade is attached to the handle, because neither Faxon nor Turner has had access to the object. It appears long, thin and pointed on an X-ray.

Turner then went through an additional surgery to remove the instrument.
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(more info at link above)......................I had to add these two paragraphs..they are further down the article. Warning, these two are not nice.
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Leaving surgical materials inside patients is surprisingly frequent. "With more than 28 million operations performed nationwide, the number of cases in which foreign bodies are left behind during a procedure in the United States has been estimated at around 1500 cases per year," scientists recently wrote in the Open Access Macedonian Journal of Medical Sciences, posted by the U.S. National Library of Medicine.

That may actually be a low estimate. According to The Washington Post, "a 2013 USA Today review of government data, academic studies and legal records found the figure was more likely between 4,500 and 6,000 times per year."


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Journeyman

(15,044 posts)
1. A cotton swab, a small sponge, a Junior Mint -- these are understandable . . .
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:33 PM
Jan 2018

but hardware? You'd think they'd keep better track of those sorts of things.

Stuart G

(38,458 posts)
2. I agree, "You'd think they'd keep better track of those sort of things"
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:36 PM
Jan 2018

I guess they don't. Why? I think it is that some surgeons are not as smart as we think they are. A few are actually pretty stupid. (Just like the rest of the world. Some people are "smart" "some are in the middle" and "some are stupid" in fact..."a few are very very stupid"

Journeyman

(15,044 posts)
3. Always remember: 50% of all surgeons graduated in the lower half of their class . . .
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:44 PM
Jan 2018

I work with a variety of PhDs -- some medical, others scientific -- and my experience is some of them are brilliant, Renaissance brilliant, with a command of an incredibly breadth and depth of knowledge; others are savants only within their specialty; and some seem to have gotten where they are through genetics and connections.

marble falls

(57,502 posts)
6. As a vet currantly being treated for cancer I have nothing but the best things to say about VA...
Sun Jan 21, 2018, 07:34 PM
Jan 2018

I've had four bladder surgeries and a colon surgery in the last five year (I no longer have a colon, I have a semi-colon) and my experiance has been nothing but good every step of the way.

When I got out of the Navy in '73 I went to work at the VA and day one I told my wife whatever happened she was not to let me end up in a VA Hospital. As a child I knew that a VA hospital was where a vet with no hope went to die. I remember at 12 or so my dad driving Turk Turkovich to Wade Park VA Hospital in Cleveland in our pickup truck. It was a long quiet ride from Akron and Turk had a grocery sack with whatever he needed and Turk did not come out of that place, dying a few months later.

So I am a tough customer.

Six years ago my wife talked me into going back. After years of Cadillac plans and turning 55 and finding that my income was going to be from benefit free contracts and then turning 60 and finding contracts starting to thin out, I went.

What a difference.

Don't take my word for it.

https://www.dav.org/learn-more/news/2014/va-care-as-good-as-or-better-than-private-sector-hospitals/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2014/04/17/va-hospitals-on-par-with-private-sector-for-patient-satisfaction/?utm_term=.2735a0c72ba8

http://consumerhealthratings.com/index.php?action=showSubCats&cat_id=276

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/04/17/va-hospitals-earn-high-patient-satisfaction-scores.html

Is it perfect. No, but it is pretty darn good, especially when one factors in what special group with special problems we vets are.

Here in Texas the VA in Temple is partnered up with Scott and White a very highly rated health care system. S&W uses VA to give their Doctors more experience and S&W uses VA to learn from VA how to keep records of their patients up to date and available at remote locations. They're learning from VA not teaching VA.

I have nothing but praise for VA and if Congress would fund and quit playing political football with VA and well meaning but wrong non-military supporters of vets had a realistic view of VA even the troublesome hospitals like Phoenix and the Louis Stokes Memorial VA Center (the former Wade Park VA) would be improved.

Sorry for taking so much space but I feel strongly about one system in the Fed that actually does a pretty good job.

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