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Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 7m7 minutes ago
Bernie folks vote against delegate count report. They lose. Now they are standing and booing. Unity now!
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 4m4 minutes ago
You get the picture. Bernie people not happy. Chanting "recount." Wait, I thought Harry Reid fixed this with Bernie last night. Unity now!
Convention at standstill!
ismnotwasm
(42,030 posts)#sodonewithit
TexasTowelie
(112,755 posts)1,245 Clinton delegates 1,149 Sanders delegates.
Cha
(298,139 posts)Koinos
(2,792 posts)Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 07:00 PM - Edit history (1)
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SunSeeker
(51,827 posts)LisaM
(27,864 posts)They don't even realize they are acting like thugs.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)and they expect to intimidate other people so that the thugs get their way
Cha
(298,139 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)fiasco. Anyone who has a problem believing that KKKarl Rove isn't behind this is fooling themselves. These people frothing at the mouths aren't Democrats - not by a long shot.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/731683071058042881
BlueMTexpat
(15,376 posts)Cha
(298,139 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)#nv04 hopeful @lucyflores up. She's a Bernie supporter. Says "about the future of progressive agenda." Nods to Boxer. Berniebots boo.
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 9m9 minutes ago
Bernie guy soliciting media to go talk to Bernie spox so we can understand why upset about rules. Um, is it because they are always upset?
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 11m11 minutes ago
They had to take Boxer off big screen because Bernie supporter blocking camera with sign. I kid you not.
mcar
(42,479 posts)SaschaHM
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Watching them go down in defeat and eat their own is glorious. This is what happens when you run a campaign on perpetual victimization. When it is time to be or act rational in the face of defeat, former saviors become persecutors.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Boxer doesn't take crap like that: "Boo all you want. You're booing Sanders and this country! Boo louder!"
I f***ing hate them and the "good" Sanders supporters who turn a blind eye.
Henhouse
(646 posts)Cha
(298,139 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)It's so utterly disrespectful and disgusting that they were acting like that. Good for her for not taking their crap.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)On a 96-1 vote, the Senate adopted an amendment by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) declaring that no taxpayer funds would be used to shore up failing financial institutions in the future.
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Boxer, who is cutting a populist profile in her reelection campaign this year, said, "If there's one thing we should all be able to agree on, it is this: The American taxpayers should never again have to bail out Wall Street firms that gambled away our savings and wreaked havoc on our economy."
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/06/business/la-fi-financial-reform-20100506
She's so establishment she's EFFECTIVE
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)LisaM
(27,864 posts)this reminds of newbies in our workplace that arrive thinking they can do a better job than someone who has been there 20 years. They are not all like that but the ones who are make it difficult to be around them. They want to push good people out.
caquillo
(521 posts)i.e. College-age and twentysomethings. These kids, born after 1995 or so, were raised entirely different than us older people. This is probably the first Presidential election where the "everyone gets a trophy" millennials have been able to vote. These kids who grew up using playgrounds with foam on the ground and plastic covering the handles of the swings, so that they don't get pinched, and who were covered from head to toe before they were allowed to go ride their bike around the neighborhood. They were raised to believe that they're special and entitled to everything, so Bernie's message is right on par with how they were brought up and anyone with an opposing opinion is "the enemy" or coming from "not a safe space," and it's been fascinating to see how that upbringing has translated into politics.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)And this is why we shouldn't paint with a broad brush when we talk about "Bernie Supporters." The real danger in the way Bernie has continued to justify his existence in this race by dog whistling to his supporters about the validity of every election he loses is that he'll not be able to walk that back. Most of them are in fact reasonable. But some of them are entitled and can no longer be fact checked. Basically it's a similar problem that Republicans have. They've told their supporters not to believe facts, Trump shows up lying, and they tried to fact check him, but couldn't because "facts" don't exist.
Hillary won Nevada, factually. But Bernie implied some form of fraud. So, now when they show up to the state convention, and do a delegate count, and Hillary wins, a SMALL portion (worth repeating, this is not a majority of his supporters there) of his supporters won't accept it, largely because he told them to question any election result that didn't go his way.
The problem is he empowered his mob, and he can't control them. He tried to. Here is a statement he released, telling his supporters to NOT do exactly what they are doing:
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-statement-nevada-democratic-party-convention/
Meanwhile, his own people at the convention are getting up on stage and telling this small portion of his supporters to shut up and stop causing a ruckus, and they are getting booed. You empower the entitled, tell them they're winning when they're not, then tell them to accept the defeat...some of them just won't listen. That's where we're at.
But to be clear, most of his supporters at the convention are behaving, are trying to control the loud, disruptive minority...they just can't. No one can. Bernie doused the matches in kerosene, lit them on fire, and now it's Berning out of control.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)MSMITH33156
(879 posts)Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 2h2 hours ago
#nv04 hopeful @lucyflores up. She's a Bernie supporter. Says "about the future of progressive agenda." Nods to Boxer. Berniebots boo.
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 3h3 hours ago
Joan Kato, who was Bernie's state director, comes up on stage and asks angry Sanders supporters to take a step back from stage. Oh boy.
LisaM
(27,864 posts)The behavior at the Hillary event in L.A. was atrocious and I don't hear anyone apologizing. And now I have even reasonable friends who support him who relentlessly post anti-Hillary stuff.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)in another thread I wrote that the majority has been tacitly endorsing this behavior by not condemning it. Here, they did at least actually try to stop it, but now realize it's out of control. I think they are only now coming face to face with the issue they've created. Ample time to weed out that element before the Convention though.
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)They're finally getting a taste of the monster they've created and realize the problem. Sometimes, it's necessary for a mess so that you can look in the mirror. Better it happen now versus later.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts).
comradebillyboy
(10,193 posts)jmowreader
(50,604 posts)It was the first Robocop, the scene where the voted-out-of-office city councilman was holding the mayor hostage.
"I want some fresh coffee! And I want a recount! And no matter how it turns out, I want my old job back!"
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)If he wants any Committee chair position, and doesn't want the Dems to run candidates against him...aka his old job back, he better get his people in order.
And by "his people" I mean the 40 or so causing the ruckus while over 1,000 of his supporters look on in horror. So he basically needs to train the people at these conventions and have them recognize that this won't be tolerated. He tried to do it last minute by releasing a statement telling them not to do so, but not everyone got the message and/or cares.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)His supporters aren't just useless to the party, they are an embarrassment. Why are we pandering to them when we know they are going to vote for Trump anyway???
riversedge
(70,483 posts)Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 53s53 seconds ago
Clinton's delegate edge -- an impressive turnaround after county convention disasters -- could return count to 20-15 as caucus #s projected.
Cha
(298,139 posts)riversedge
(70,483 posts)Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 6m6 minutes ago
Final delegate count: 1,693 Clinton: 1662 Sanders
4 uncommitted
Henhouse
(646 posts)I doubt Sander's supporters won him any superdelegates by their behavior so it is a win in more ways then one....
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)caquillo
(521 posts)I thought they held their caucus back in February.
Henhouse
(646 posts)This Politifact has the tic toc...Today Hillary, definatively won the at the Nevada state convention...
Politifact from April - No, Bernie Sanders didn't retroactively win Nevada
http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/apr/07/blog-posting/no-bernie-sanders-didnt-retroactively-win-nevada/
Hillary Clinton was declared the winner of Nevadas presidential caucuses back in February, but some supporters of Bernie Sanders are claiming the Vermont senator might have won the state after all.
The pronouncement came after Sanders delegates ended up outnumbering Clintons during the hectic Clark County Democratic Convention on April 2, leading many media outlets and supporters to declare that Sanders retroactively "won" the state by outmaneuvering Clinton.
So, did Sanders add another state to his column as many have claimed?
The answer is no, and it likely will remain that way.
Well tell you why.
Caucus math
caquillo
(521 posts)2naSalit
(87,012 posts)and now they demand it...
collective schizophrenia on display.
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MSMITH33156
(879 posts)Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 4m4 minutes ago
1695 Hillary; 1662 Bernie, final.
Reminder: Hillary won Feb. 20 caucus.
This is how it should work.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)There's 1,000 users all screaming various lulzy things;
"we should vote Trump and let em destroy the country!"
"call the United Nations!"
"bernie or fucking bust"
and they're panicking cause no one can figure out how to save the recording...
ps - and they're posting and reposting the NV party chair's personal cellphone #. Classy classy...