As vile as they come. Take everything that law firm says with a HUGE boulder of salt.

Will get you a link from sourcewatch so you understand their history:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Victoria_Toensing

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Joseph_E._diGenova

They're the ones who are behind the email crap and continuing the email crap in the courts.

They've been around forever.

As if Goldberg were some kind of "truth-teller". Rather than the "I Hate The Clintons" careerist that he has been for decades.

Happily the jury shut that one down very quickly.

Polling in primaries indicated around 75% or more of Bernie voters were happy w HRC as second choice.

Same polls showed the same with HRC voters, around 75% said the same about Bernie.

endorsed or supported her.

I was banned from the Sanders group months ago for suggesting that whoever was the Democratic nominee, they would need a Democratic Congress to get something done.

I actually used to like Sanders, but that has changed:

On DU, right wing sources have been used for months to trash Hillary. Here is one of the most outrageous ones attacking Planned Parenthood when they endorsed Hillary, where the poster thought the best way to make his argument was to post from an extreme R/W anti-abortion site:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251992133

Then there were the ones who were more direct, and expressed what they thought of Hillary and her supporters, with many RECS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280104210

and finally there are those who have declared they would absolutely NEVER vote for Hillary if she was the nominee:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251923506

Yes, I am pissed at the constant bashing of Hillary. Not to carry on a useful discussion, but simply for the sake of bashing

While I have no doubt that the majority of Sanders supporters will support whoever the Democratic nominee is, and vice versa in regard to Clinton supporters, in the microcosm they call DU, I am not so sure that is the case

IMHO Skinner was way too indulgent with this right-wing sources thing this time out.

In the old days a person got Tombstoned if s/he pulled that shit a few times.

If you get bored, check out my post in the first thread you linked to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251992133#post10

assessment here. Toensing and DiGenova are some of the worst R/W trolls around

Your point is well made

The overriding objective: Defeat Trump.

first by right-wing radio and then FOX.

She sunk a college - what did you expect to happen?

now they can do the same for her! It's pretty funny that some right wing group is just waiting for Bernie to head back to Vermont where they will give him the Clinton treatment.
After Jane & Bernie parroted all those right wing lies and trumped up charges he will have plenty of his own to contend with and no friends in the party to help him out.

hate them more than they hate the Clintons but this looks pretty black and white. Either BS made the call or he didn't.

jftr - this is the Hillary Clinton group.

All I am saying is take what they say about Jane and/or Bernie very sceptically. If the past is prologue, They will spew a ton of GOP spin based on a speck of two of manipulated "fact."

Take care and have a great night.

It's a very different story when the shoe is on a different foot, isn't it?

Victoria Toensing. They have plagued Hillary forever and now they have a new target...Bernie. They really are slime. They are the ones that keep saying...any day now, Hillary will be indicted. That has been going on for months and they are still wrong.

I despise that RW anti-Clinton stuff I see posted here on DU and constantly push back against those who go into the gutter w Breitbart, Fox 'News', WND, and the vile stuff some people have brought here. Simply because it attacks HRC.

It makes me sick. I feel like some of those posters are naive. Others know exactly what they are doing.

I am sure some of your other group members can tell you about how I have pushed back against right wing slime attacks on Clinton, Obama, Bernie and other Democrats.

It is unfortunate that you've formed the opposite impression of me based on posts from others. I always love and enjoy your posts.

I am really hoping Skinner cracks down on the use of RW sources soon, as it has made Du terrible.

I posted here just to give a heads up on who Toensing and DiGenova are for those that might know about their careers as professional anti-democratic liars.

Take care and

I think it's fitting that the people who brought us the email scandal is out to get Bernie & Jane. You know, a broken clock is right twice a day and these folks seem to have found, at least, two of Bernie & Jane's scandals. Maybe they have hit on something. It sure seems to have rattled Jane Sanders. Otherwise, she wouldn't be hiding somewhere when Bernie is "winning" the nomination.

She is acting very guilty.

file a lawsuit when things don't go your way?

Months ago I posted in the Sanders group that whoever was President they would need a Democratic Congress to get anything done.

For that comment I of course was banned from the Sanders group

For months, many assumed Sanders supporters have been reporting anti-Hillary garbage from R/W rags, and those Hillary bashing threads relished in it

so are Bush, Rove, Gonzalez, Riley, Canary...and Don Siegelman is still in prison.

GOP hacks are dangerous!

when they went berserk negative with the Hillary Hate!

"Welcome to the Big Leagues, folks!" What goes around, comes around!

Listen the regular Vermont paper has carried this story. Time will tell but mortgage fraud is way more important than a basement email server...it is real corruption...using influence against the public and in this case against a college. We shall see how it turns out.

all of Bernie's phone records. If he doesn't produce them he has something to hide.

And keep an eye on us. eew

She might just show up in the wrong place.

This is an interesting document and I'd love to see how it unfolds.

Here's a story for the alerters....

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2016/05/26/gop-official-levels-burlington-college-related-allegation-against-sanders

Republican hacks, that it's karmic that the same hacks are now going after Jane Sanders. Especially with her wanting Hillary to be indicted so badly.

Poetic justice.

Meanwhile, the same kind of people are behind eGhazi (hat tip to geek tragedy) and Sanders fans post 1,000 articles a day about it, many from right-wing sources.

for pressuring the bank to give Jane the loan.

You know...just in case.

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Now what!

....and not only that, most of their "net worth" (reported, that is) is on Wall Street.

Funny how that works.

is to disbelieve them.

RW hacks are very popular with the Bernie supporters and they are used as a legitimate source hundreds of times a day in GDP.

Then all bets are off. lol.

I am enjoying this thread

This is the Hillary Clinton group.

But while you are here... the phone records can be checked easy enough. BS should turn over all his phone records along with his tax returns. Did you know that 70% of US voters think that it should be the law that candidates for President turn over their complete tax returns. Period.

and you'll have an idea what Clinton supporters put up with on DU. It's a constant barrage of right-wing nonsense, where Fox News, Breitbart, FACT, Judicial Watch, and others are declared unimpeachable sources by Sanders fans.

How ya like it?

Kind of unfair, isn't it?

Bye

He's lived a sheltered life in the beautiful small state of Vermont with no scrutiny or accountability. He's been campaigning for a year with little or no vetting, no negative attack ads, because he was seen as a long short and more of a sideshow than a real contender.

That's changing, and they're beginning to "feel the burn".

Release your taxes Bernie!

Hm.

Shades of gray befuddle them.

She lists "expansion of college campus" as one of her accomplishments in the brief about section.

And she neglects to mention that she sits with salary on this board, or that she is a salaried commission member of the Texas Low Level Radiation Disposal Committee when she talks about herself.

I also noted that she had been "fired" from her college president position. She must have held a few ace cards in order to get them to let her resign with a golden parachute and a non-disclosure agreement--likely with Bernie's help, of course.

"Don't get off the porch if you aren't ready to run with the big dogs!"

I think we can all imagine what the Republicans would do to the Sanders' family over the next 6 months?

They would be diced, grated, minced, sliced, and julienned

Yeah, expanding it right into the ground.

Also, it is clear that Bernie used his influence as a member of Congress to help her get the loan approved.

He will have to stop wagging his finger at others and point it at himself.

Jane O’Meara Sanders

of Burlington has spent much of her career in public service, primarily with a focus on community development. Currently, Jane represents Vermont on the Texas Low-Level Radioactive Waste Commission. Most recently, she served as President of Burlington College, significantly expanding its campus and degree programs,

As much as I detest this legal group, the paperwork they submitted to request a federal investigation of possible loan fraud committed by Jane Sanders in securing a loan for Burlington College, has merit. If this investigation has begun, it is reasonable to assume that officials at the bank have been questioned and certain phone evidence has been acquired.

It is possible that it was simply Bernie's position as a sitting senator and his association with many involved in the transaction (bank, VEDA, realtor) that helped get the loan approved. There is certainly nothing wrong with that. Since he has friends at the People's Bank and conducts business with them, he may have made phone calls to them about other matters.

On the other hand, we do have another similar case that comes to mind -- Bernie's refusal to stop Vermont from dumping nuclear waste in Sierra Blanca, Texas:

but it is ironic that some Sanders fans think they are legitimate news sources when they attack Hillary. Proves he hasn't had 30 years of lies spewed against him as Hillary has.

On the one hand, 2 wrongs don't make a right (seeing how Berners used the same kind of sources against Hillary), on the OTHER hand, sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. In situations like this, I say just grab the popcorn and see how it plays out.

available from a better source, it's probably best to assume that we don't yet know the whole story.

... I think we should ignore it. Let's not play the game that Sanders supporters are playing.