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Cha

(298,074 posts)
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:18 PM Jun 2015

"There's This Anti-Hillary Vote. It Just Isn't Very Big.” POSTED in The Hillary Room~

For Democrats who are hoping that an alternative to Hillary Clinton will emerge from Iowa, the results of the latest Bloomberg Politics/Des Moines Register poll of likely caucus-goers doesn't bode well.



snip//

People will suggest that this poll was conducted prior to O'Malley's announcement this weekend. And they have a point. He'll likely move up in the polls now that he is an actual candidate. But he's been spending an awful lot of time in Iowa and is still being beaten by VP Joe Biden - who hasn't even tipped his hand about whether or not he's going to run.

Sen. Bernie Sanders is running on the issues that have always made him popular with the anti-establishment left. He's doing a bit better than he might have in the past because Sen. Elizabeth Warren has energized that wing of the Democratic Party lately and he's capitalized on that.

But so far, former Gov. O'Malley has made a political error in thinking that he can vie with Sen. Sanders for the support of that wing of the party. Here's a sample of that from his speech on Saturday

snippet from O'Malley's speech//.. the rest at the link..

"Well, I’ve got news for the bullies of Wall Street —

The presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you between two royal families."


End snip//

"What a lot of those pundits missed is that the coalition that elected President Obama...twice...is actually the future of the Democratic Party. Mayor De Blasio's huge win in NYC was as much about his promise to end "stop and frisk" for young men of color as it was about his populist economic agenda. The group of (mostly white) populist Democrats who have been receptive to politicians like Warren and Sanders is not big enough to win a presidential election.

So far, Hillary Clinton seems to be the only candidate in the race that recognizes the importance of the Obama coalition. But there are large parts of that coalition that rejected her candidacy in 2008 in favor of Obama and still might be up for grabs if someone would notice. Absent that, Clinton's appeal to establishment Democrats combined with her outreach to the Obama coalition will likely make her unbeatable.

MOre..
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/06/theres-this-anti-hillary-vote-it-just.html?spref=tw

I remember not too long ago on that thread where African Americans were favoring Hillary(pretty sure it was that thread.. I'll look for it) that they were upset but they had come back to her.

So, this is only June 1, 2015 and one person's opinion.. I don't know if agree with the part about Bernie's campaign only being "energized" by Elizabeth Warren.. but then I'm just on DU. Don't watch tv.

But, this is what I've been saying.. Whomever wins the Dem Nom will want and require(as a friend pointed out) the Obama Coalition. They'll want President Obama to campaign with them and for them. We'll see how this goes.
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"There's This Anti-Hillary Vote. It Just Isn't Very Big.” POSTED in The Hillary Room~ (Original Post) Cha Jun 2015 OP
So far I have read Hillary should concede, thought this was interesting since Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #1
Yep shenmue Jun 2015 #2
"Concede"? Naw, she's "a fighter".. I can't imagine anyone thinking she should concede Cha Jun 2015 #4
"They have a big sell job in front of them." If the snotty DU mail I just got from one of his..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #16
You are a brave sweet soul, sheshe2 Jun 2015 #3
I had hoped this would be an issue long ago put to sleep but it has not happened. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #6
Trust me. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #9
Never give up, I know you still have lots od fight left also. Thank You. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #11
LOL.. Nancy T makes some good points she.. and like I've saying all over the board.. whomever Cha Jun 2015 #8
"I want the United States of America". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #17
Anything less... sheshe2 Jun 2015 #19
Hillary will stand on her own two feet. William769 Jun 2015 #5
She will not let us down. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #7
Of course she will on her own two feet!.. and, it seems she's earning that coalition.. and why Cha Jun 2015 #10
K & R Iliyah Jun 2015 #12
Mahalo Iliyah! Cha Jun 2015 #13
Forty points ahead and she should "concede?" okasha Jun 2015 #14
Reality is not their strong suit. Cha Jun 2015 #15
Uncle Joe clearly seems to be the 2nd choice of many. I find that interesting. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #18
Uncle Joe.. love him to pieces, Tarheel! So many trails before us.. Cha Jun 2015 #20

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. So far I have read Hillary should concede, thought this was interesting since
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:35 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary's poll numbers and favorably numbers are looking very good. I would think Biden would endorse Hillary and take more numbers from Bernie and expect Warren to endorse Hillary also. This would not leave a lot for Bernie to pickup. Time will tell, they have a big sell job in front of them.

Cha

(298,074 posts)
4. "Concede"? Naw, she's "a fighter".. I can't imagine anyone thinking she should concede
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:49 PM
Jun 2015

unless they were so afraid she'll win?

Who knows what VP Biden will do.. he and his family are hurting so much now.. but they are surrounded by love..





http://theobamadiary.com/2015/06/01/the-week-ahead-28/

Tarheel_Dem

(31,257 posts)
16. "They have a big sell job in front of them." If the snotty DU mail I just got from one of his.....
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:17 PM
Jun 2015

supporters is any indication, they can't "sell him", so they've resorted to bullying. That's fine and well, except I ain't the one. I eat bullies for breakfast, as will Hillary Rodham Clinton. The numbers don't lie, no matter how they've been poked & prodded by other campaigns looking for an opening.

sheshe2

(84,070 posts)
3. You are a brave sweet soul,
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:47 PM
Jun 2015

LeTourneau's

"What a lot of those pundits missed is that the coalition that elected President Obama...twice...is actually the future of the Democratic Party. Mayor De Blasio's huge win in NYC was as much about his promise to end "stop and frisk" for young men of color as it was about his populist economic agenda. The group of (mostly white) populist Democrats who have been receptive to politicians like Warren and Sanders is not big enough to win a presidential election.

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/06/theres-this-anti-hillary-vote-it-just.html?spref=tw


You posted Nancy LeTourneau.

Thank you Cha.

I am white. I will vote for the candidate that supports us all. If they do not put PoC and women front and forward, they don't have my vote.

I don't want a white America. I want the United States of America

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. I had hoped this would be an issue long ago put to sleep but it has not happened.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jun 2015

It does not mean we throw up our hands and accept the hate, we will just continue onward. It is a fight worth fighting.

Cha

(298,074 posts)
8. LOL.. Nancy T makes some good points she.. and like I've saying all over the board.. whomever
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jun 2015

wins the Dem Nom will want and need the Obama Coalition and here she's pointing it out, brilliantly.. in just that excerpt you quoted.

"A Tidal Wave Of Good News In Iowa: Hillary Clinton Soaring and Obama Beloved by Democrats"

snip//

Starting off with asking likely Democratic caucus-goers to rate their feelings from very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable about prominent Democrats, President Obama topped the list of 89% favorable to 9% unfavorable.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/01/good-news-poll-obama-beloved-iowa-dems-hillary-clinton-soaring.html

Clinton is banking on the Obama coalition to win

The moves are part of a strategic conclusion by Clinton’s emerging campaign: that it can harness the same kind of young and diverse coalition as Barack Obama did in 2008 and 2012, bolstered by even stronger appeal among women.

Her approach — outlined in interviews with aides and advisers — is a bet that social and demographic shifts mean that no left-leaning position Clinton takes now would be likely to hurt her in making her case to moderate and independent voters in the general election next year

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/running-to-the-left-hillary-clinton-is-banking-on-the-obama-coalition-to-win/2015/05/17/33b7844a-fb28-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html?hpid=z1

I remember you posted that just a little while ago! Hillary gets it!






William769

(55,150 posts)
5. Hillary will stand on her own two feet.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jun 2015

If she is the nominee, President Obama will support her because he knows she's up to the job.

Cha

(298,074 posts)
10. Of course she will on her own two feet!.. and, it seems she's earning that coalition.. and why
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jun 2015

wouldn't she!

"Clinton is banking on the Obama coalition to win"

The moves are part of a strategic conclusion by Clinton’s emerging campaign: that it can harness the same kind of young and diverse coalition as Barack Obama did in 2008 and 2012, bolstered by even stronger appeal among women.

Her approach — outlined in interviews with aides and advisers — is a bet that social and demographic shifts mean that no left-leaning position Clinton takes now would be likely to hurt her in making her case to moderate and independent voters in the general election next year

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/running-to-the-left-hillary-clinton-is-banking-on-the-obama-coalition-to-win/2015/05/17/33b7844a-fb28-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html?hpid=z1

"A Tidal Wave Of Good News In Iowa: Hillary Clinton Soaring and Obama Beloved by Democrats"

snip//

Starting off with asking likely Democratic caucus-goers to rate their feelings from very favorable, mostly favorable, mostly unfavorable, or very unfavorable about prominent Democrats, President Obama topped the list of 89% favorable to 9% unfavorable.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/01/good-news-poll-obama-beloved-iowa-dems-hillary-clinton-soaring.html

okasha

(11,573 posts)
14. Forty points ahead and she should "concede?"
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:13 PM
Jun 2015

My lord and little fishes! Not in the reality-based world.



Tarheel_Dem

(31,257 posts)
18. Uncle Joe clearly seems to be the 2nd choice of many. I find that interesting.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 11:25 PM
Jun 2015

I'd back him in a heartbeat. I fully expect his 8% showing to go to Hillary, so that means she's actually over 60%.

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