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Tansy_Gold

(17,894 posts)
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 10:49 PM Jun 2012

STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Monday, 11 June 2012

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STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Monday, 11 June 2012 (Original Post) Tansy_Gold Jun 2012 OP
Oh, YES! Love the Cartoon! Demeter Jun 2012 #1
^^^ Mr. Outta Touch. (the 'toon)! Tansy_Gold Jun 2012 #2
There are times I wanna "reach out and touch someone" Demeter Jun 2012 #7
You mean firmly and repeatedly, especially about the ears? Warpy Jun 2012 #12
Oh, no, Warpy...that was no slip of the tongue Demeter Jun 2012 #25
Reminds me of September 2008 McCain said DemReadingDU Jun 2012 #17
Life is another planet outside the insulated beltway. Fuddnik Jun 2012 #29
Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed Demeter Jun 2012 #3
SPEAKING OF PUPPETS: Moody’s threatens to downgrade Germany if Greece leaves Euro Demeter Jun 2012 #5
To save the EU, Germany must leave the EU. There by destroying the EU and saving themselves. westerebus Jun 2012 #24
OR... Demeter Jun 2012 #26
Stop talking sense, this is the economic forum. westerebus Jun 2012 #28
Germany, Not Greece, Should Exit the Euro By Red Jahncke Demeter Jun 2012 #68
Obama hopes dim with results of economic missteps Demeter Jun 2012 #4
Uh huh... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #8
Unfortunately, this kind of misguided arrogance will be our party's downfall. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #14
Quite the difference between 'arrogance' and laughing at crap like this... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #15
Whistling past the graveyard. Fuddnik Jun 2012 #27
You're right. My bad... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #79
Unfortunately, history is on his side. Both political parties have made serious Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #71
And yet, only two incumbents in 80 years have lost reelection... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #78
3 incumbent losses in 40 years, actually. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #81
Ford wasn't an elected incumbent Tansy_Gold Jun 2012 #84
Still an incumbent. Fuddnik Jun 2012 #86
There is a huge difference between being an incumbent and an 'elected incumbent...' Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #92
And Jimmy would never have got the nomination if not for his very clever Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #97
And both lost because they failed to or were prevented from relieving the pain of Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #83
It will be a hard summer, but I am tired of the defeatist attitude here on DU... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #93
I completely sympathize but we live in a different world today. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #96
Tansy's got a stamp for that Demeter Jun 2012 #33
She does indeed, and no she's not Tansy_Gold Jun 2012 #82
Forced to Early Social Security, Unemployed Pay a Steep Price Demeter Jun 2012 #6
Spain IS Greece After All: Here Are The Main Outstanding Items Following The Spanish Bailout Demeter Jun 2012 #9
Australia pays $200,000 bonuses to lure foreign soldiers Demeter Jun 2012 #10
That's all I got Demeter Jun 2012 #11
How a Single Company Gained a Stranglehold over Online Shopping and the Future of Retail jtuck004 Jun 2012 #13
Wow ILSR seems like a great resource. Thanks for posting! TalkingDog Jun 2012 #37
It's too bad that "our" government refuses to enforce the law. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #72
China Goes Where Obamacare Refused to Tread: Takes on Big Pharma on High Priced Drugs girl gone mad Jun 2012 #16
i do believe the hot days of summer have arrived xchrom Jun 2012 #18
That looks cooling! DemReadingDU Jun 2012 #20
Italy stuck in deep economic recession xchrom Jun 2012 #19
Velázquez: the artist of Spanish decline xchrom Jun 2012 #21
I'll bet there is a Windsor in the middle portrait. westerebus Jun 2012 #31
That's the dwarf Demeter Jun 2012 #34
Southern Europe, esp. Spain and Italy Tansy_Gold Jun 2012 #40
Greece Threatens Wall Street Jobs In Third Trading Plunge xchrom Jun 2012 #22
Italy Moves Into Debt-Crisis Crosshairs After Spain xchrom Jun 2012 #23
Another Bank Bailout By PAUL KRUGMAN Demeter Jun 2012 #30
Howard Davies - Do not declare victory over Spain’s banking bailout Demeter Jun 2012 #32
Greek left seeks to exploit Spain bailout Demeter Jun 2012 #43
The mutualisation of debt requires political as well as fiscal Union. Ghost Dog Jun 2012 #85
Appx 5:23 "There's no way to stop this. It will continue until there's" DemReadingDU Jun 2012 #88
I'm thinking we're looking at Europe-wide change. Ghost Dog Jun 2012 #89
America needs country-wide change DemReadingDU Jun 2012 #91
Industry: Future factories Demeter Jun 2012 #35
Business Can't Compete With Government, Needs Special Help Demeter Jun 2012 #36
Time to Ditch Our Profit-Hungry Corporate Economy: Here's What the Future Could Look Like Instead Demeter Jun 2012 #38
Up Like a Rocket Demeter Jun 2012 #39
Down like a rock Demeter Jun 2012 #52
Goldman nears hedge fund admin unit sale Demeter Jun 2012 #41
US-listed China groups take private road Demeter Jun 2012 #42
Wall St to lobby against ‘fiscal cliff’ Demeter Jun 2012 #44
Romney to champion healthcare market Demeter Jun 2012 #45
Sequester released by Bipartisan Policy Center (US AUTOCUT BUDGET) Demeter Jun 2012 #46
Europe’s impact on U.S. hangs like cloud Demeter Jun 2012 #47
Guess Who's Buying All the Bonds? (It's Not the Fed) Demeter Jun 2012 #48
DOG TAGS IN FINANCE? Global Plan for Trade Identification Targeted in 2013 by FSB Demeter Jun 2012 #49
Regulators want trades tagging system from March Demeter Jun 2012 #50
Euro Crisis Hits German Exports xchrom Jun 2012 #51
It's Because John Donne was English (British Isles) that He Could See: No Man is an Island Demeter Jun 2012 #54
A Sneak Peek at Tomorrow's Europe xchrom Jun 2012 #53
"so-called"? Probably a translation problem Demeter Jun 2012 #55
Socialists to Take Largest Number of French Parliament Seats Demeter Jun 2012 #56
Europe Dodges a Bank Crisis in Spain, but Perils Lurk By JACK EWING Demeter Jun 2012 #57
The Macroeconomics of Chinese kleptocracy A MUST READ! Demeter Jun 2012 #58
Deserves to be its own OP appal_jack Jun 2012 #69
Perhaps we taught them too well. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #73
My thinking exactly Demeter Jun 2012 #75
Debt crisis: Europe's democracies must not subcontract their destiny to the Bundebank Demeter Jun 2012 #59
Spain’s Blood Wedding, Ireland’s Muted Rage, Europe’s tragedy Demeter Jun 2012 #60
Spread of 'baby boxes' in Europe alarms United Nations WOULD ALARM ANY SANE NATION Demeter Jun 2012 #61
The Bobblespeak Translations What They're Really Saying When They're Saying What They're Saying Demeter Jun 2012 #62
Fed Colleague Backs Dimon Demeter Jun 2012 #63
There is No Systemic Mortgage Fraud and We Have the Proof! Demeter Jun 2012 #64
Paying mortgage isn't a top priority in tough times, research shows Demeter Jun 2012 #65
There are about 12 million home loans underwater, near as I can tell. I know people jtuck004 Jun 2012 #95
Greece Threatens Wall Street Jobs in Third Trading Plunge Demeter Jun 2012 #66
GE Weighs Cuts to Lending Unit Demeter Jun 2012 #67
Yep. They may be evil, but they're not stupid. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #74
Percentage of bad loans by size of bank TalkingDog Jun 2012 #70
Fitch cuts Santander & BBVA to BBB-plus Eugene Jun 2012 #76
What happened in the last 15 minutes? Fuddnik Jun 2012 #77
Here's an interesting idea. Condemn mortgages under eminent domain. Fuddnik Jun 2012 #80
Limit it to individual human borrowers so that it isn't just turn into Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #87
Anything that ISN'T Business as Usual would be a good thing. Demeter Jun 2012 #90
And bars and golf courses. Fuddnik Jun 2012 #94

Tansy_Gold

(17,894 posts)
2. ^^^ Mr. Outta Touch. (the 'toon)!
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 10:51 PM
Jun 2012

I didn't think anyone would post a reply before me!

Certainly didn't intend to imply our Demeter is outta touch!

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
7. There are times I wanna "reach out and touch someone"
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
Jun 2012

At those times, it's good to be an over-committed isolate.

Warpy

(111,480 posts)
12. You mean firmly and repeatedly, especially about the ears?
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:55 AM
Jun 2012

It's a good thing I've turned into a hermit, too, although I have inherited enough to make bail.

I honestly think he misspoke. The private sector is growing sluggishly, unlike during Stupid's tenure when the only thing growing were the number of Federal patronage jobs.

But yes, he's stuck his foot firmly in his mouth at long last. This is a gaffe for the ages.

DemReadingDU

(16,001 posts)
17. Reminds me of September 2008 McCain said
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:22 AM
Jun 2012

McCain: The fundamentals of our economy are strong, and then the stock market lost hundreds of points.


These people are soooo clueless
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
3. Desperate European Bankster Puppets Exposed
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 10:56 PM
Jun 2012
http://theautomaticearth.com/Finance/desperate-european-bankster-puppets-exposed.html

Even though it is obvious that the major banks wield tremendous influence over bureaucratic political systems worldwide, it is not often that you find the phrase "bankster puppet" illustrated so clearly in the mainstream media. Usually, there is some pretense or alternative justification for doling out billions of euros, dollars, etc. to the banks, such as - "if we don't do this, the entire global economy will implode" (remember TARP?). Back then, people didn't have a clue what was going on and were scared enough to go along with any vague reason presented to them.

So it's interesting to see now that these pretenses for direct wealth transfers from the people to the banks have been dropped like bad habits. In Europe, the financial atmosphere has become so dire and desperate that the PUPPET politicians and bureaucrats can no longer pretend that they care about anything other than saving the banks at the expense of everyone else. Exhibit A are the excerpts from an article in Bloomberg today that are quoted below, written by James G. Neuger:

EU Weighs Direct Aid to Banks, Euro Bonds as Crisis Antidote


The European Commission called for direct euro-area aid for troubled banks, and touted a Europe- wide deposit-guarantee system and common bond issuance as antidotes to the debt crisis now threatening to overwhelm Spain.


The commission, the European Union's central regulator, sided with Spain in proposing that the euro's permanent bailout fund inject cash to banks instead of channeling the money via national governments. It also offered Spain extra time to squeeze the budget deficit.


...


The use of the rescue fund to recapitalize banks "might be envisaged" and would "sever the link between banks and the sovereigns," the commission said today in Brussels. Jose Barroso, the commission's president, said "it is important to use all possibilities offered in terms of flexibility."


What these proposals by the European Commission (Jose Manuel Barroso) translate into is - "Forget austerity! And forget any pretenses of national considerations on how to properly use money from the bailout funds. We need the Spanish banks to take most of that money, as well as an unspecified amount of future money, and use it directly in the form of capital buffers and deposit guarantees... NOW!" With Greece, there was still time to pretend that some of the money would protect government services for the people and would come with conditions attached, designed to promote domestic growth. Not so with Spain.

Signs of stress multiplied in financial markets today. Italy missed its target in a bond auction, driving its 10-year yields as high as 6.01 percent, the highest since Jan. 31. The yield was at 5.95 percent at 2:10 p.m. in Brussels. Doubts over the health of Spain's banks pushed up Spanish 10-year yields as high as 6.70 percent, the highest since Nov. 28. That yield was last at 6.62 percent.


...


After more than two crisis-filled years and 386 billion euros ($480 billion) in loan pledges to Greece, Ireland and Portugal, "markets remain exceptionally tense and vigilant and confidence is still weak," the commission said.


The money and blood offerings of the Greek, Irish and Portuguese were not enough to satisfy the all-encompassing hunger of the financial puppeteers. There is no doubt in my mind that at least a portion of this market "tension" is engineered by them to put the screws to those who reject the European Commission's cold, hard cash-for-banks proposal. Remember, they ARE the system that they are trying to save, and that's exactly why they are trying so damn hard to save it. So who could possibly have the temerity to resist?

Current EU plans call for the 500 billion-euro European Stability Mechanism, set to start up in July, to funnel bank-aid money through national governments and, ultimately, require those governments to pay it back [yeah...right].


Germany is spearheading resistance to direct European financing for banks because that would let governments bypass the conditions set for full aid programs, such as deeper budget cuts and more European intrusion into economic management.


"Direct help for banks is out of the question, that won't fly," Norbert Barthle, the budget spokesman in parliament for Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democratic Union, said in an interview yesterday. Finland is in Germany's camp, Martti Salmi, a Finance Ministry official, said in a telephone interview today.


Ah, yes - the resistance comes from a small, yet critical portion of the German, Finnish and Dutch politicians/officials, and, more importantly, from the people of those countries. These countries are scared to death of financial contagion wreaking havoc in their banking systems, but they are also faced with the reality that this contagion will occur no matter what. The only question is whether they would prefer to kick the can a few months/years down the road, and allow the European Transfer Union to unwind all of the economic gains they had made over the last two decades while they wait. Also, whether they would like to go into elections with a population on the verge of mass protests and riots.

In an assessment by staff economists, the commission said there is little room for deficit-plagued countries to push back planned savings to a later date. Such an easing-up would be punished by markets, it said.


"Member states which face high and potentially rising risk premia do not have much room for maneuver to deviate from their nominal fiscal targets, even if macroeconomic conditions turn out worse than expected," according to the document.


Still, Economic and Monetary Commissioner Olli Rehn said Spain might be granted an extra year, until 2014, to bring its deficit down to the limit of 3 percent of gross domestic product.


Debate over euro bonds flared at last week's summit of European leaders, the first for French President Francois Hollande after he took office vowing to challenge the German- dominated budget-cutting creed that has marked the crisis response.


The new French President, Francois Hollande, is now exposing himself to be the biggest bankster puppet of them all. He is opposing the imminent austerity paradigm because he knows that the bankers need more time (and less conditions) to extract the wealth required to satisfy their greed. Austerity served to justify the bailouts over the past two years, but now it is also destroying the underlying economies of the peripheral countries and, therefore, the banking sectors. Hollande also knows that the French banks are not really in much better shape than the Spanish banks, and may need to draw on those direct ESM funds soon.

What he wants is what the rest of the European Puppets want - enough time to re-capitalize the Euro area banks with the money of German, Finnish and Dutch taxpayers.
The problem for them is that the German, Finnish and Dutch populations (and those politicians who are not yet corrupted) are not altogether ignorant of what happened in 2008 and what has been happening ever since. They know that none of the money used to bail out peripheral banks will a) make it into the general Eurozone economy, b) repaid by the banks and c) conditioned on any credible austerity. There is absolutely no reason for them to play ball; at least, not until the market pressures bearing down get much, much worse.

But, by then, it may be too late for the Banksters and their Eurocratic Puppets.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
5. SPEAKING OF PUPPETS: Moody’s threatens to downgrade Germany if Greece leaves Euro
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:00 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/08/moodys-threatens-to-downgrade-germany-if-greece-leaves-euro/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

Moody’s warned Friday that a Greek pullout from the eurozone could lead to downgrades of the eurozone’s top-rated governments, including economic powerhouse Germany.

Moody’s also said that an EU rescue of Spain’s banking sector could force a cut to Spain’s sovereign rating due to the “increased risk to the country’s creditors.”

“Greece’s exit from the euro would lead to substantial losses for investors in Greek securities, both directly as a result of the redenomination and indirectly as a result of the severe macroeconomic dislocation that would likely follow,” said Moody’s.

“Should Greece leave the euro, posing a threat to the euro’s continued existence, Moody’s would review all euro area sovereign ratings, including those of the Aaa nations,” it said.


The triple-A eurozone countries under Moody’s ratings are Austria, France, Germany, Finland, Luxembourg, and Netherlands.

Moody’s said that a possible move by the region to help Spain recapitalize its banks could also affect Spain’s credit standing...

westerebus

(2,976 posts)
24. To save the EU, Germany must leave the EU. There by destroying the EU and saving themselves.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:36 AM
Jun 2012

France is in no position to do it. Until then, the can will be kicked around the globe from central bank to central bank along the road paved by the politicians in their employ. As the can is kicked, the austerity programs will double down the pain inflicted on wage earner's in the form of a drastically reduced social safety net and an increase in wealth transfers to corporations.

The good news is the American economy is doing fine. And if it's not, a little tweaking of entitlements will fix it. Just ask the Congress. Even the chief banker of the US, the Bernank, told Congress: you need to do something to fix the jobs problem, I've got the banks to worry about.

Fortunately, POTUS is willing to admit the private sector of the economy is not doing as well as it could. And water is wet.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
68. Germany, Not Greece, Should Exit the Euro By Red Jahncke
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-10/forget-greece-a-german-euro-exit-might-be-better.html

All the debate about the pros and cons of a Greek exit from the euro area is missing the point: A German exit might be better for all concerned.

Unless Europe’s leaders take some kind of radical action, such as adopting and executing some of the many reform ideas they have floated, the currency union is headed for disintegration. The problems of Greece, Ireland and Portugal have spread to Spain, the fourth-largest economy in the euro area. Italy is probably next. The other members of the currency union can’t afford to bail them all out. Further loans will serve only to exacerbate the fundamental problem of too much debt and add to the growing enmity between the strong northern tier and its wards to the south. Without healthy economic growth -- and Europe is now back in a recession -- multiple countries will have to restructure their sovereign debts. Greece’s agonizing two-year restructuring experience suggests that doing several more would be extraordinarily difficult, if not impossible...A Greek exit from the currency union would make the situation even worse. There is no mechanism to decide, or deal with, whichever nation might be next, and even that presumes that exits could be managed. The more terrifying prospect is that the other afflicted countries might exit in an uncontrollable panic, complete with bank runs, failures and general disarray. The accompanying repudiation of hundreds of billions of euros in debt would overstrain the European financial system, even Germany’s. The global economy would be paralyzed as everyone wondered which domino would be next to fall.
German Exit

What, then, might a German exit do? With integration and multiple restructurings so unlikely and withdrawal of the weak members so fraught, it might actually be the best of all available options. A single, powerful nation would have the best shot at executing a relatively swift exit that would be over before anyone could panic. No agonizing over who exits and who doesn’t. Stripped of its German export powerhouse, the euro would depreciate sharply, but would not become a virtually worthless currency, as, for example, any re-issued Greek drachma surely would. With the euro devalued, a Greek exit and devaluation would be relatively pointless. So, no contagion or bank runs. With new exchange rates making all the non-euro financial havens prohibitively expensive, and with the threat of forced conversion into devalued national currencies removed, depositors in southern Europe would lose their impetus to run. Germany’s exit would provide immediate benefits to all the remaining euro-area nations. The currency depreciation would radically improve their trade competitiveness -- exactly what many observers have said the weaker nations in the south need most. The euro area’s balance of payments would improve, providing sorely needed funds to service its external debt. The benefits would accrue to the euro area as a whole, as opposed to serial exits at the weak end of the spectrum, which would crush one weak nation after another, with each exit increasing pressure on the next candidate.

Other relatively strong euro-area nations, such as the Netherlands, would probably pause before following Germany’s lead. If they left, they would lose the trade advantages offered by the newly depreciated currency, and would have to bear all the costs and complications of reintroducing their own money.

The cheaper euro, of course, would be bad for foreign investors holding euro-denominated assets. On the bright side, the losses would be simultaneous in timing, spread evenly across creditors, and more moderate in the southern European countries than they would be in a euro-exit scenario...MORE

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Red Jahncke is president of the Townsend Group International LLC, a business consulting firm in Greenwich, Connecticut. The opinions expressed are his own.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
4. Obama hopes dim with results of economic missteps
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 10:58 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-hopes-dim-with-results-of-economic-missteps-2012-06-05?siteid=nwhwk

The chances that Barack Obama will be limited to one term as president increased significantly with last week’s unemployment report. The report for May showed a new uptick in unemployment, to 8.2%, and seemed to indicate that economic and employment growth will remain sluggish between now and the election in November, especially as the situation in Europe continues to worsen.

There’s not much Obama can do about it at this point. He can continue to blame the Bush administration and Republican policies. He can point a finger at an obstructionist Congress, which has blocked many of his measures. He can question whether Mitt Romney can do any better. But none of this is likely to work.

It is now time to pay the piper for the timidity and caution and misguided political calculations of three years of what can now safely be described as a failed economic policy. It will be difficult for Obama to criticize the Republican playbook, since he has been reading from the same pages. ...

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
14. Unfortunately, this kind of misguided arrogance will be our party's downfall.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:24 AM
Jun 2012

If only the "Centrists" had done more listening and less laughing.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
15. Quite the difference between 'arrogance' and laughing at crap like this...
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:47 AM
Jun 2012

Why should I take him seriously when he essentially says Obama is pretty much doomed in November? Is Obama guaranteed to win? No. But his chances didn't worsen with the jobs report last week. That's just crazy talk. He'll win or lose on a whole host of reasons, and many aren't directly tied to the jobs reports.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
79. You're right. My bad...
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jun 2012

He's gonna lose. Pres. Romney is sure to win! How could I have expected anything else?

Might as well just prepare these next five months for total Republican control in Washington. I'm glad you're here to show me the light so that I don't spend the next five months prepping for an Obama win, just to watch him lose in November! Now I know. He ain't going to win.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
71. Unfortunately, history is on his side. Both political parties have made serious
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:46 PM
Jun 2012

miscalculations and leapt to erroneous conclusions about 2010, and are right on track to repeat them this November. The republicans didn't win in 2010, the Democrats lost. The voters didn't vote for republican crazy, they voted against Democratic weakness. Unfortunately, the table is set in the republican's favor and our greatest hope is that Rmoney is such a freak that they will buck tradition.

When every choice is binary, the only possible vote for change is the other guy.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
78. And yet, only two incumbents in 80 years have lost reelection...
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:19 PM
Jun 2012

So, 'the only possible vote for change is the other guy' doesn't happen very often.

Tansy_Gold

(17,894 posts)
84. Ford wasn't an elected incumbent
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jun 2012

And imho he lost more because of his ties to Nixon than the economy. He inherited Nixon's economic policies anyway, unlike Carter and boooosh 1 who were elected and who had a full four year term as POTUS behind them.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
92. There is a huge difference between being an incumbent and an 'elected incumbent...'
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jun 2012

No one voted for Ford. He had no built-in support outside the typical Republican voters. Obama actually won an election and that means people actually cast their vote for him, unlike ford. That built-in support is huge in a presidential election. Ford had none of it and it hurt the incumbency factor. Even still, Ford barely lost the election to Carter and probably would have won had it not been for Bob Dole's gaffe in the vice-presidential debate and Ford's in the presidential debate - where he asserted there was no Soviet dominance of Eastern Europe.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
97. And Jimmy would never have got the nomination if not for his very clever
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jun 2012

use of the new Party Convention rules. Clinton would never have won if not for Ross Perot. Shit happens.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
83. And both lost because they failed to or were prevented from relieving the pain of
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jun 2012

high unemployment in a bad economy. And yet 2010 was the biggest shift since 1938 (which followed a capitulation to conservatives of that day to slow and/or end many of the employment/assistance programs begun in '32 - '34). So are there really that many teahaddists, really? Of course not.

Relentlessly pursuing a policy based in the other team's bad ideas resulted in 2010. The President and too many of his followers are in deep denial about this ridiculous notion that pandering to some mythical center results in success.

This is going to be a long, hot summer, and President Obama and the party he leads had better start talking and listening to some people outside the bubble or we're in real danger...

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
93. It will be a hard summer, but I am tired of the defeatist attitude here on DU...
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:20 PM
Jun 2012

Carter and Bush both had far worse approval ratings than Obama right now - as both's disapproval at this point in '80 and '92 almost pushed 60% nationally. Obama is nowhere near the level of either those two incumbents who lost. If anything, he's polling at the level Reagan was in early '84 and Bush was in '04.

Both candidates who won - one who won despite a slow recovery.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
96. I completely sympathize but we live in a different world today.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:21 PM
Jun 2012

I believe that Obama will win, and that's a good thing if for no other reason than his SCOTUS nominees will be far less objectionable that Rmoney's would be. But, the fact remains that he has spectacularly failed a large portion of American voters that should be his with no question through his unwavering commitment to right wing ideas and policies, policies with a long track record of failure and none of success.

He was rolled by the financial industry, he was rolled by the insurance industry, he was rolled by the military, and he was rolled by the religious freaks. That leaves a very bitter taste in the mouths of millions of his formerly ardent supporters that believed his campaign rhetoric. There's just no way to deny it and as a result, he has put the republicans in play in an election that should be a foregone conclusion.

And if he does manage to lose this coming election, it is going to be due to his own apparent lack of conviction to anything beyond wanting to be reelected.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
33. Tansy's got a stamp for that
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:11 AM
Jun 2012

And she's not shy about using it...

I don't need to see the ultimate devastation to know there's an avalanche in progress. I've seen this film before....

Tansy_Gold

(17,894 posts)
82. She does indeed, and no she's not
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jun 2012

But I think this is the money quote (pun intended):


It is now time to pay the piper for the timidity and caution and misguided political calculations of three years of what can now safely be described as a failed economic policy. It will be difficult for Obama to criticize the Republican playbook, since he has been reading from the same pages. ...


And again, this goes right straight back in an unbroken line to those transition appointments of November 2008.

Given Obama''s mandate for change at that time and the fact that he did not follow up on that mandate, his re-election chances are severely diminished. Does that mean he's going to lose in a landslide to Romney? No, not necessarily. This is after all only June and we do have those five months ahead of us. But if we take my own personal theory of how people vote, I think the scenario is going to play out like this:

Blacks as a block will support Obama, not just because he is Black, but because they know Romney and the pukes are racists.
Hispanics as a block will support Obama, because they know Romney and the pukes are not just racists, they are anti-immigrants-of-color racists.

Women as a block will support Obama over Romney, especially women of color. They know Romney hates them.

Unions, self-hating weasels such as they are these days, will support Obama because they know Romney and the pukes are anti-labor. This does not mean all union members will actually vote for Obama, because many TRADITIONAL union members are white males who became raygun democrats back in the day.

White men will split, but they will marginally favor Romney.

The block most turned off by Obama, imho, are the young voters. First are the ones who came into 2008 as their first presidential election and got turned on by the oratory and the promise and how have nothing to show for it. They have no history of support for anything else, so they will become the apathetic non-voters of 2012 and the turncoats to Romney because they don't know any better. The 2012 first time voters may be even more cynical, and therefore more likely to vote for Romney.

If Obama wanted to get the youth vote back, the easiest thing he could do is go after the student loan interest rates. This is an issue that on the surface brings in the young voters, but it also goes after their parents who are trying to help foot the college bills AS WELL AS the older voters who went back to school on the student loan program, now can't get jobs to pay them off, and are facing garnishments of already reduced early retirement social security.

This election is Obama's to lose. I don't think Romney can win it on his own.

Much will depend on who Willard picks as his running mate. McCain was a horrible candidate himself on virtually every level, but Palin took him even further down. Their appeal was to the very lowest denominator voter -- the uninformed christian fundamentalist racist bigot, of which we have plenty. Their campaign was essentially BE AFRAID OF THE BLACK MAN, and it didn't work. Willard is a lot slicker than McCain, and I don't think he'll be coerced into accepting a space cadet of Palin's caliber. (Ron Paul would bring Romney a lot of libertarians, so watch out for that one.)

Had Obama held firm on his own campaign promises, he would be unbeatable. It wouldn't matter if he didn't get EVERYTHING passed by congress; if he had just tried, made a sincere effort, he would have swept the electoral college.

But Obama didn't do that. He started right out in November '08 with those gawdawful economic appointments and the jig was up from there. Health care got watered down, we still have the millionnaires' tax cuts, we're still in Afghanistan and we don't even know how many mercenaries, er I mean "contractors" the tax payers are paying for in Iraq. Nothing has been done on energy policy, everything has gone backward on issues like reproductive rights, Wall Street is still writing its own legislation. And on and on and on and on.

The one area where Obama has more or less made good on his campaign promises is in the area of GLBTQ rights. DADT is pretty much out of the way, and more states are passing laws removing marriage discrimination. But in terms of political strategy, that's an issue that affects maybe 10-15% of the population directly, maybe 30% indirectly, and it's one distinct issue that may be overshadowed by others. By that I mean the voter who has a GLBTQ child or sibling may be personally pro-same sex marriage, but if the other issues aren't engaged, that voter is not likely to support Obama solely on the strength of a same-sex-marriage position.

If I were advising Obama, here's what I'd tell him:

1. First and foremost -- come out strong for an effective college student loan relief policy. I don't care how you calculate the numbers, but make it EFFECTIVE, so people can get on with their lives, buy homes, buy cars. The doofus who made billions from Sallie Mae has enough.

2. Tell the fundamentalists to eat shit on birth control. Family planning is absolutely essential to the economy on half a dozen different level. Women need absolute freedom of choice, and their health needs, including prescription coverage for contraceptives, should come before any religious bull shit. ANY WOMAN WHOSE EMPLOYER=FUNDED INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER 100% THE COST OF HER BIRTH CONTROL SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR 100% MEDICAID-FUNDED COVERAGE. Religious discrimination should not be allowed on any level of health care.

3. Start prosecuting Wall Street and its alleys(sic). I'll bet you'll see some changes in Wall Street behavior if there are a few high-profile trials in the areas of mortgage fraud, insider trading. And pick at least one that goes after clawbacks. If you let people know your administration is willing to go after bazillionaires, you'll get a bazillion more votes.

4. Demand -- DEMAND -- and end to the booooosh tax cuts for the wealthy. Tax capital gains as ordinary income. Read a few liberal/progressive/radical/Marxist books on economic theory and don't let ANY of your current economic advisory team talk to you about it. Hell, you should fire that entire bunch of goons yesterday.

5. Never never never never grant your opponents any respect. They have none for you.


 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
6. Forced to Early Social Security, Unemployed Pay a Steep Price
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:04 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/business/forced-to-retire-early-jobless-pay-a-steep-price.html

...Even as most Americans are delaying retirement to bolster their savings accounts, the recession and its protracted aftermath have forced many older people who are out of work to draw Social Security much earlier than they had planned.

According to an analysis by Steve Goss, chief actuary for the Social Security Administration, about 200,000 more people filed initial claims in 2009 and 2010 than the agency had predicted before the recession and he said the trend most likely continued in 2011 and 2012, though that is harder to quantify. The most likely reason is joblessness...

...Drawing Social Security early has repercussions that will be hard to overcome even if the economy — and her work prospects — improve. By collecting four years shy of her full retirement age, Ms. Keany will receive a reduced monthly benefit for the rest of her life. Those who collect early get 20 to 30 percent less a month than they would get if they waited until full retirement age, which varies by year of birth. People in Ms. Keany’s age bracket are expected to live an average of close to 23 more years.

“The most potent lever that individuals can pull in trying to get themselves a secure retirement income is to postpone claiming” Social Security, said Alicia H. Munnell, director of the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College.


As recently as a decade ago, half of those eligible claimed Social Security at 62. But that share has been falling because people are living longer and still want to work as well as shore up retirement funds. That makes it even more galling for those who are forced to claim early because of unemployment. Several people interviewed mentioned blows to their self-esteem along with abandoned dreams of a more comfortable old age.

According to an analysis by Richard W. Johnson, director of the retirement policy program at the Urban Institute, 37 percent of older workers who lost their jobs between 2008 and 2011 and did not return to work ended up claiming Social Security as soon as they turned 62...
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
9. Spain IS Greece After All: Here Are The Main Outstanding Items Following The Spanish Bailout
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:15 PM
Jun 2012

AND A BANKSTER IS A BANKSTER, WHEREVER HE MAY ROAM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/spain-greece-after-all-here-are-main-outstanding-items

After two years of denials, we finally have the right answer: Spain IS Greece. Only much bigger (it is also the US, although while the US TARP was $700 billion or 5% of then GDP, the just announced Spanish tarp is 10% of Spanish GDP, so technically Spain is 2x the US). So now that the European bailout has moved from Greece, Ireland and Portugal on to the big one, Spain, here are the key outstanding questions:

1. Where will the money come from?

De Guindos, Schauble and the Eurogroup, all announced that the sole source of cash would be the ESM and/or the EFSF. The problem with this is that the ESM has yet to be ratified by Germany, whose parliament said previously it is sternly against allowing the ESM to fund a direct bank bailout, something which just happened. Thus, the successful German ESM ratification vote, whenever it comes, and which previously was taken for granted, now appears to be far more questionable.

Which leaves the EFSF. The problem with the EFSF is that there is about €200 billion in dry powder. And this includes the Spanish quota of €93 billion, which we can only assume is now officially scrapped.

Which brings us to a bigger question: now that Spain is officially to be bailed out, what happens next. And by that we mean of course the big one: Italy. Recall that as we posted in Brussels... We Have A Problem, once the contagion spreads again to Italy, and that country also needs a bailout, it is game over...

2. Where will the money go?...

3. What happens to Spanish sovereign debt?...

4. Precedent

...ironically, what just happened, is that the Eurozone, with the tacit agreement of Germany, essentially gave insolvent banks a green light to short themselves into a full bailout...

5. Market reaction

DETAILS AT LINK

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
10. Australia pays $200,000 bonuses to lure foreign soldiers
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/lure-for-soldiers-of-fortune/story-e6frf7jo-1226389565914

AUSTRALIA is boosting its ranks with foreign soldiers by offering cash bonuses of up to $200,000 and fast-tracked citizenship. Veterans have hit out at hiring "mercenaries" from countries such as America, Germany and Singapore instead of recruiting more Australians. Defence, meanwhile, has scrapped payments of $680 to single Aussie soldiers to fly home for Christmas.

Figures obtained by the Herald Sun show 726 international military personnel have come to Australia since 2006. It is believed to have cost about $100 million to help them move.

The Victorian RSL says the force should be hiring Australians and training them. War graves advocate John Saddington questioned the loyalties of foreign recruits.

"It's an absolute disgrace," he said. "We are hiring mercenaries."


Recruits are coming from America, Britain, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, Italy, Singapore, Poland, Greece and Germany. Hundreds of internationals have been lured by the promise of better pay and entitlements - 570 put their hands up to move to the Navy after the force visited Britain in December on a "fact finding" mission.

A Defence Department spokesman said: "The ADF contributes to the cost of relocating lateral recruits. The costs vary according to the family composition and size, but is typically between $150,000 to $200,000.

"Given the significant cost of training and building experience in new military recruits, this cost represents good value."


In other incentives, recruits are also having their Australian citizenship fast-tracked after just three months of service.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
11. That's all I got
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:33 PM
Jun 2012

if you want more, I'm going to have to dig for it.

Everyone is off to the Hamptons, or something....or holding their breath to see what falls out of Spain, Ireland, Italy, and more...

It's quiet out there...too quiet.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
13. How a Single Company Gained a Stranglehold over Online Shopping and the Future of Retail
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:25 AM
Jun 2012

The graphic is on The Big Picture, here

I have a theory that corporations who rely on using their capital to cheat and and profit aren't scared of anything but assets they can't buy, (because the people who own those assets don't need their capital and it's the only product/power such corporations have) so that people who figure out how to work together in a democratic cooperative for profit might have the only defense that actually protects their income. They have to work hard, educate their neighbors, market, and even then they may just barely survive. But they might do better than many others, all of whom are really on their own, public or private.

In the future this graphic predicts the trick might be figuring out what the best opportunities are to work together.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
72. It's too bad that "our" government refuses to enforce the law.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:57 PM
Jun 2012

The Sherman Act provides rules & tools to stop these anti-competitive practices. Labor laws would protect the workers. But when law enforcement refuses to enforce the law, it's the wild west and you just grab what you can for as long as you can.

Apparently we learned absolutely nothing from Enron, etc.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
16. China Goes Where Obamacare Refused to Tread: Takes on Big Pharma on High Priced Drugs
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:13 AM
Jun 2012
Emerging economies are increasingly flexing their muscles over stratospherically-priced life-saving drugs. And before the Big Pharma defenders start caviling about how the high cost of drug development is squeezing profits, it’s hard to be sympathetic. First, the Federal government pays for a staggering amount of drug research (it’s hard to get solid numbers, since the National Institutes of Health is the biggest but not sole funder, but the latest estimate I saw was over 30% of the total). Second, pharmaceutical companies have not done much truly new drug development in a while. Well over 80% of the so-called “new drug applications” are for extensions or reformulations (eg, a delayed release version) of an existing drug. Third, Big Pharma spends more on marketing than on R&D.

The move by China follows targeted measures by Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and most recently India to use “compulsory licenses” to make their own generic versions of patented drugs. From Reuters (hat tip reader Joel B):

The amended Chinese patent law allows Beijing to issue compulsory licenses to eligible companies to produce generic versions of patented drugs during state emergencies, or unusual circumstances, or in the interests of the public.

For “reasons of public health”, eligible drug makers can also ask to export these medicines to other countries, including members of the World Trade Organisation.


The intriguing part of this is that this Chinese initiative is completely kosher under WTO rules when life-saving medicines are too costly. Given the high prices put on certain AIDS and cancer drugs in dollar terms, they’re the perfect targets for an action like this. India gave a compulsory license for the manufacture of Nexavar which is used to treat kidney and liver cancers. China appears to be using the compulsory license threat to improve its bargaining leverage for some of the newer HIV drugs, such at Gilead’s tenofovir. China was excluded from a deal with a group of nations to buy tenofovir by paying cost plus a small royalty. Gilead has offered more concessions after the media leaked that China was considering implementing compulsory licensing.

Read more: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/06/china-goes-where-obamacare-refused-to-tread-takes-on-big-pharma-on-high-priced-drugs.html

DemReadingDU

(16,001 posts)
20. That looks cooling!
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:06 AM
Jun 2012

My dogs will lay flat-out on the cool patio cement or on top of the hosta plants, whatever is in the shade.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
19. Italy stuck in deep economic recession
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:38 AM
Jun 2012
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_ITALY_FINANCIAL_CRISIS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-11-06-51-00

MILAN (AP) -- Official statistics confirm that Italy's economy contracted by a quarterly rate of 0.8 percent in the first three months of the year, the worst contraction in three years.

The painful recession keeps pressure on Premier Mario Monti's government, which is struggling to fend off the debt crisis and the perception that Italy could be next to seek a bailout following Spain's decision over the weekend to ask for help for its ailing banks.

The ISTAT statistics agency says the contraction is the worst since the first quarter of 2009, when the economy contracted by 3.5 percent. ISTAT forecasts that the Italian economy will contract by 1.3 percent this year, slightly more than the government's estimate of 1.2 percent.

Spending by families is down significantly.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
21. Velázquez: the artist of Spanish decline
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:16 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2012/jun/11/velazquez-artist-spanish-decline



Conspicuous consumption … Diego Velázquez's An Old Woman Cooking Eggs (1618). Click for the full image. Photograph: National Gallery of Scotland


Spain is accomplished in the art of decline. At its most powerful, it had economic problems just as difficult to conquer as those of today. And they are mirrored in some of the greatest Spanish art.

In Diego Velázquez's painting Bacchus, the supreme Spanish master of the 17th century portrays the god of wine among a group of real life, mortal drinkers. They look poor and disenfranchised, but the booze makes them happy for a while. It shows an eye for poverty and outsiderdom that also made Velázquez portray a street water-seller and the dwarf-entertainers of the royal court.

Spain had a world empire when Velázquez – who was born in 1599 and died in 1660 – was painting his ironic and melancholic pictures of real life. Yet the reality he records is one of decline and poverty. Spain's galleons of gold and silver from its colonies in the New World failed to buy it a place in the economic rise of modern Europe: the beneficiaries of expanding global trade in the 17th and 18th centuries were the Dutch and British with their merchant ships, sophisticated banks and busy exchanges.

Southern Europe was getting left behind in the Baroque age, just as it is now. In fact, the cruel grinding wheels of economic inequality now ravaging the continent were put in place five centuries ago, when new trade routes in the Atlantic and Pacific put paid to the mercantile leadership of Mediterranean Europe. This is reflected in Italian as well as Spanish art. In Caravaggio's late paintings – as he travelled the south on the run for murder – we see a world of poverty and dirty feet: Jesus born in a very tough stable.



Tansy_Gold

(17,894 posts)
40. Southern Europe, esp. Spain and Italy
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:35 AM
Jun 2012

were also hampered by religion, specifically the Roman Catholic Church and its involvement in government.

Ferdinand and Isabella (Fernán and Isabel) were Los Reyes Católicos, the Catholic Kings, and were responsible not only for sending Columbus on his way to destroy the indigenous populations of the western hemisphere but for expelling the Jews from Spain and completing the reconquista or reconquest of Spain from the Muslim Moors. The cultural dominance of the Church, including the Inquisition, can remain institutionalized even after laws have been changed, such as allowing same-sex marriage. Religion is frequently used as a means to assert and/or maintain economic dominance.


xchrom

(108,903 posts)
22. Greece Threatens Wall Street Jobs In Third Trading Plunge
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:19 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-11/greece-threatens-wall-street-jobs-in-third-trading-plunge.html

Wall Street bankers and traders, given hope by a market rebound in the first quarter, are now seeing earnings and paychecks threatened by turmoil in Greece in what is becoming an annual cycle.

For a third consecutive year, revenue from investment banking and trading at U.S. firms may fall at least 30 percent from the first quarter, Richard Ramsden, a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) analyst, said in a note last week. Greece, which gave English the word “cycle,” has been the main reason each year that the second quarter soured after a promising first three months.

Deal volume has dropped and equity and credit markets have fallen on concern that Greece may abandon the euro and the European sovereign-debt crisis will spread to nations including Spain. Those economic issues cut profit, bonuses and jobs at Wall Street firms in last year’s second half and threaten to do the same in 2012.

“It’s going to be a tough summer at least, and it does feel like the last couple years all over again,” said David Konrad, an analyst at KBW Inc. in New York. “The bank valuations seem unfairly discounted, but investors are looking at this year and saying, ‘I’m not going to fall for this again.’”

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
23. Italy Moves Into Debt-Crisis Crosshairs After Spain
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-10/italy-moves-into-debt-crisis-crosshairs-after-spain-bank-rescue.html

The 100 billion-euro ($126 billion) rescue for Spain’s banks moved Italy to the frontline of Europe’s debt crisis as an initial rally in the country’s bonds fizzled on concern it may be the next to succumb.

Italy’s 10-year bonds reversed early gains today in the first trading after the Spanish bailout and declined for a fourth day, sending the yield up 7 basis points to 5.84 percent.

“The scrutiny of Italy is high and certainly will not dissipate after the deal with Spain,” Nicola Marinelli, who oversees $153 million at Glendevon King Asset Management in London, said in an interview. “This bailout does not mean that Italy will be under attack, but it means that investors will pay attention to every bit of information before deciding to buy or to sell Italian bonds.”

Italy has 2 trillion euros of debt, more as a share of its economy than any advanced nation after Greece and Japan. The Treasury has to sell more than 35 billion euros of bonds and bills per month -- more than the annual output of each of the three smallest euro members, Cyprus, Estonia and Malta.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
30. Another Bank Bailout By PAUL KRUGMAN
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:03 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/opinion/krugman-another-bank-bailout.html

Oh, wow — another bank bailout, this time in Spain. Who could have predicted that?

The answer, of course, is everybody. In fact, the whole story is starting to feel like a comedy routine: yet again the economy slides, unemployment soars, banks get into trouble, governments rush to the rescue — but somehow it’s only the banks that get rescued, not the unemployed. Just to be clear, Spanish banks did indeed need a bailout. Spain was clearly on the edge of a “doom loop” — a well-understood process in which concern about banks’ solvency forces the banks to sell assets, which drives down the prices of those assets, which makes people even more worried about solvency. Governments can stop such doom loops with an infusion of cash; in this case, however, the Spanish government’s own solvency is in question, so the cash had to come from a broader European fund.

So there’s nothing necessarily wrong with this latest bailout (although a lot depends on the details). What’s striking, however, is that even as European leaders were putting together this rescue, they were signaling strongly that they have no intention of changing the policies that have left almost a quarter of Spain’s workers — and more than half its young people — jobless. Most notably, last week the European Central Bank declined to cut interest rates. This decision was widely expected, but that shouldn’t blind us to the fact that it was deeply bizarre. Unemployment in the euro area has soared, and all indications are that the Continent is entering a new recession. Meanwhile, inflation is slowing, and market expectations of future inflation have plunged. By any of the usual rules of monetary policy, the situation calls for aggressive rate cuts. But the central bank won’t move.

And that doesn’t even take into account the growing risk of a euro crackup. For years Spain and other troubled European nations have been told that they can only recover through a combination of fiscal austerity and “internal devaluation,” which basically means cutting wages. It’s now completely clear that this strategy can’t work unless there is strong growth and, yes, a moderate amount of inflation in the European “core,” mainly Germany — which supplies an extra reason to keep interest rates low and print lots of money. But the central bank won’t move.

Meanwhile, senior officials are asserting that austerity and internal devaluation really would work if only people truly believed in their necessity. SO, NOW WE HAVE AN AUSTERITY FAIRY? DEMETER


... you get a picture of a European policy elite always ready to spring into action to defend the banks, but otherwise completely unwilling to admit that its policies are failing the people the economy is supposed to serve. Still, are we much better? America’s near-term outlook isn’t quite as dire as Europe’s, but the Federal Reserve’s own forecasts predict low inflation and very high unemployment for years to come — precisely the conditions under which the Fed should be leaping into action to boost the economy. But the Fed won’t move. What explains this trans-Atlantic paralysis in the face of an ongoing human and economic disaster? Politics is surely part of it — whatever they may say, Fed officials are clearly intimidated by warnings that any expansionary policy will be seen as coming to the rescue of President Obama. So, too, is a mentality that sees economic pain as somehow redeeming, a mentality that a British journalist once dubbed “sado-monetarism.” Whatever the deep roots of this paralysis, it’s becoming increasingly clear that it will take utter catastrophe to get any real policy action that goes beyond bank bailouts. But don’t despair: at the rate things are going, especially in Europe, utter catastrophe may be just around the corner.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
32. Howard Davies - Do not declare victory over Spain’s banking bailout
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:08 AM
Jun 2012

Does anyone on the planet think that the problems surrounding the credibility of the euro have been solved by the €100bn bailout of Spain’s banks? Does any overseas investor believe that a corner has been turned, when the German government continues to set its face against the mutualisation of debt?

We can only hope that Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy and European Commissioner Olli Rehn are, as politicians are wont to do, treating the public with contempt in trotting out these bromides. The alternative explanation, that they really believe the problem has been solved, is far more worrying.

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/J0VG55/WTQXUK/Q38E1/MS83UW/JE78FA/ZH/t?a1=2012&a2=6&a3=11
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
43. Greek left seeks to exploit Spain bailout
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:38 AM
Jun 2012

Alexis Tsipras, leader of Syriza, says favourable terms won by Madrid for its bank rescue confirms his argument that Athens got a bad deal from EU

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/3JFELL/FK0HS0/87I64/OROURS/EXCNJI/ID/t?a1=2012&a2=6&a3=11

THEY WOULD BE FOOLS IF THEY DIDN'T.
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
85. The mutualisation of debt requires political as well as fiscal Union.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:04 PM
Jun 2012

That is the process and the point.

Nb.

DemReadingDU

(16,001 posts)
88. Appx 5:23 "There's no way to stop this. It will continue until there's"
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:41 PM
Jun 2012

"a historic change."

Maybe in Spain.

But in America, the police come with tear gas, destroy the occupied parks, and take you to jail.
Seems the message in America is Don't upset the Status Quo.


 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
89. I'm thinking we're looking at Europe-wide change.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:52 PM
Jun 2012

And Spain (and France, and Italy) are very much in play.

It's the metastasizing corruption, you see. And the demand for justice.

DemReadingDU

(16,001 posts)
91. America needs country-wide change
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:17 PM
Jun 2012

Americans have become complacent. From my own family, they truly believe the constitution and amendments will protect us from harm, that there have been laws and regulations to prevent another '1929 market crash', that the TSA prevents terrorists on planes by performing body scans and searches before boarding, and on and on. They tell me personally that there is nothing to worry about. It is impossible to discuss anything with them. I'm sure one day, when it all goes kaboom, they will open their own eyes and ears, but by then it will be too late. And I fear the demand for justice will be too great.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
35. Industry: Future factories
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:16 AM
Jun 2012

High-cost nations are considering a return to manufacturing as innovation makes it cleaner and more competitive, writes Peter Marsh

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/5F39HH/97HNTH/OFBYP/30YZOU/B56JE0/9A/t?a1=2012&a2=6&a3=11
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
36. Business Can't Compete With Government, Needs Special Help
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:23 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/155754/business_can%27t_compete_with_government%2C_needs_special_help?page=entire

SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF "PRIVATIZATION" AT WORK...I'LL JUST USE ONE:

Medicare

In 1994 the Republicans took over the House of Representatives and immediately began to privatize Medicare. Their first step, achieved in 1997 with the support of President Clinton was Medicare+Choice. But the Republicans made a serious tactical mistake. They were so confident in the inherent superiority of the private sector they didn’t ask for a handicap. Private insurers received the same amount as the service cost under Medicare. The private sector lost the race. Badly. Private insurers began pulling out en masse. In 2000, more than 900,000 patients were dropped from the program.

No one should have been surprised. Private insurers overhead costs (marketing, profits, etc.) dwarf those of Medicare: Slightly under 17 percent compared to about 5 percent for Medicare. So to become competitive the private sector required at least a 12 percent handicap...Which private insurers received when Medicare Advantage replaced Medicare+Choice in 2003. The federal government now pays private insurers on average 14 percent more than the same care would cost under traditional Medicare.

The huge subsidy allowed private insurers to compete. Today, about 12 million older Americans are enrolled in some form of private plan, more than 22 percent of all Medicare beneficiaries. According to the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), subsidies to the private sector will exceed $150 billion over 10 years.

Since taking office President Obama has argued that insurers are overpaid. He wants to finance part of his health-care overhaul by paring their subsidies. In February the Administration announced it would be cutting the Medicare Advantage premium. The private insurers are screaming. They need their handicap to stay in the game.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
38. Time to Ditch Our Profit-Hungry Corporate Economy: Here's What the Future Could Look Like Instead
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:32 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.alternet.org/story/155777/time_to_ditch_our_profit-hungry_corporate_economy%3A_here%27s_what_the_future_could_look_like_instead?page=entire

Marjorie Kelly's new book explains how we can create a "generative economy" that is focused on sustaining life rather than extracting profit. The economy was bound to tank. Not just because greedy corporations rigged the system or because government helped grease the wheels for them. But because the dominant way that we've come to do business -- profit at the expense of all else -- is simply incompatible with the planet we're living on. It's an economy that Marjorie Kelly would call "extractive."

Kelly, a fellow at the Tellus Institute and co-founder of Business Ethics magazine, wrote the just-released book, Owning Our Future: The Emerging Ownership Revolution (Berrett-Koehler, 2012) that helps provide an antidote to the extractive, money-at-all-costs economy. She calls it the "generative economy," and her book is proving to be a great contribution to the growing New Economy movement.

"Our minds have been so colonized by the paradigm of industrial-age capitalism that we've lost the ability to imagine other ways of organizing an economy," she writes.

"My sense is that there is an alternative, and that the reality of it is farther along than we suppose. When we can't see this, it's because we've left no room for it in our imagination. If it's hard to talk about, it's because it doesn't yet have a name. I suggest we call it the generative economy. It's a corner of the economy (hopefully someday much more) that's not designed for the extraction of maximum financial wealth. Its purpose is to create the conditions for life. It does this through its normal functioning, because of the way it's designed, the way it's owned -- like an employee-owned solar company."


Kelly's book takes readers across the U.S. and across the world to examine communities and businesses that have flipped the traditional corporate model on its head, providing us with working examples of the transformation we are headed toward if we want a sustainable economy. "Emerging ownership models are new members of an older family of designs that include cooperatives, employee-owned firms, and government-sponsored enterprises," she writes. "In the UK, these include the John Lewis Partnership--the largest department store chain in the country--which is 100 percent owned by its employees and has an employee house of representatives in addition to a traditional board of directors."

INTERVIEW FOLLOWS
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
41. Goldman nears hedge fund admin unit sale
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jun 2012


Investment bank in ‘late-stage’ talks with State Street over tie-up that could create the largest administration services provider to hedge funds

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/P75VYY/HYVBNJ/204L2/30YZON/L95HPO/PJ/t?a1=2012&a2=6&a3=11

DANGER! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
42. US-listed China groups take private road
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:37 AM
Jun 2012

Last edited Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:32 AM - Edit history (1)


Just 16 such delisting deals have been completed in past two years in America, Dealogic figures show, but a similar number are pending

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/P75VYY/HYVBNJ/204L2/30YZON/2OPX7R/PJ/t?a1=2012&a2=6&a3=11

MORE DANGER
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
44. Wall St to lobby against ‘fiscal cliff’
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:40 AM
Jun 2012

The experience of last year’s near-default has taught lobbyists to prepare a campaign to stop the political brinksmanship over the economy

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/3JFELL/FK0HS0/87I64/OROURS/163WZF/ID/t?a1=2012&a2=6&a3=11

I READ THIS LITTLE BLURB WITH INCREASING SURPRISE.

THE K STREET LOBBYISTS ARE GOING TO REIN IN THE TEA BAGGERS?

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
45. Romney to champion healthcare market
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jun 2012

The Republican presumptive nominee would support wider use of plans that make patients pay more out-of-pocket expenses

Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/3JFELL/FK0HS0/87I64/OROURS/ORX8TX/ID/t?a1=2012&a2=6&a3=11

AN OBVIOUS APPEAL TO THE IGNORANT BUT PROUD
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
46. Sequester released by Bipartisan Policy Center (US AUTOCUT BUDGET)
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:47 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-analysis-re-sequester-released-by-bipartisan-policy-center

On Thursday, the Bipartisan Policy Center’s (BPC) Task Force on Defense Budget and Strategy, co-chaired by General (ret.) James L. Jones, former Senate Budget Committee Chairman Pete Domenici, and former Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman, released the report, Indefensible: The Sequester’s Mechanic and Adverse Effects on National and Economic Security.

The report describes the looming sequester of federal spending scheduled to occur in January as fiscal, economic and national security “folly” as the imposition of the sequester will have significant consequences to our military/national security. And, the taskforce is calling for congressional action to repeal and replace the legislation with a “broader fiscal plan that encompasses entitlement and tax reform.”

Jones said the nation can have a more effective fighting force at lower costs to taxpayers but the sequester “is not the way to get there.”

The report states that “the indiscriminate and irrational application of sequester cuts in 2013 will have adverse impacts on our military capabilities and readiness and economic vibrancy” and will do little or nothing to reduce our nation’s long-term debt situation.
Unless Congress and President Obama can agree on a plan to stop the January 2013 automatic cuts, our military will realize a reduction of $492 billion over the next ten years. Domestic programs also would be reduced by $492 billion over a decade.
About one million defense/non-defense jobs are expected to be lost over two years, which will cause a spike in unemployment.

The report concluded that:

• The sequester will require a 15-percent indiscriminate cut in defense spending for Fiscal Year 2013 that will undermine “U.S. military capabilities and readiness…without accomplishing any sensible and necessary reforms to the defense budget;”

• The adverse economic impacts of the pending sequester are already being felt in the national economy as businesses attempt to handle the uncertainty of funding that the sequester has caused;

• The sequester could cost defense- and non-defense-related job losses for more than one million American workers over 2013 and 2014;

• Costs related to delayed contracts, weapons system procurement confusion and slowdown, and job loss within the fragile American economy could well result in savings in federal spending of far less than the $1.2 trillion that the nine-year sequester has as its goal;

• Even if the sequester saved as much as it is intended to do, it would delay the nation’s debt from reaching more than 100 percent of Gross Domestic Product by only two years.

WELL THEN, LET'S DECLARE PEACE AND BRING THE TROOPS HOME...FROM EVERYWHERE.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
47. Europe’s impact on U.S. hangs like cloud
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/europes-impact-on-us-hangs-like-cloud-2012-06-10

The U.S. is unlikely to escape a strait-jacket of mediocre growth if the economies in the rest of the world continue to slow down.

The ongoing financial crisis in Europe, which has waxed and waned for more than a year, is just one of the problems. The downturn in Europe has been matched by decelerating growth in rising economic powers such as China, India and Brazil.

“We are seeing a global slowdown,” said Scott Anderson, senior economist at Wells Fargo & Co. in Minneapolis

The effects are already evident in relationships with key trading partners. U.S. exports to the European Union, for example, fell 11.1% in April. And exports to China dropped 14%.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
48. Guess Who's Buying All the Bonds? (It's Not the Fed)
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47738555

Mom-and-pop investors, and not the Federal Reserve, have been the ones most responsible for driving the mad dash to government debt, according to newly released data. The Fed's ambitious Treasury-buying program has pushed the central bank's balance sheet to $2.83 trillion and, by many accounts, the benchmark 10-year Treasury yield to record lows, most recently to 1.56 percent. But despite the low yields, it's been retail investors most responsible for the recent move plunge.

"The conventional view is that 10-year Treasury yields have been pushed down to 1.5 percent and 10-year (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities) yields to -0.5% by the actions of the Federal Reserve and the safe haven demand from foreign investors," Capital Economics said in a research note. "The reality, however, is slightly different."

The demand among average investors has swelled so much, in fact, that they bought more Treasurys in the first quarter than foreigners and the Fed combined. Households picked up about $170 billion in the low-yielding government debt during the quarter, while foreigners increased their holdings by $110 billion.

PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG, IMO
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
49. DOG TAGS IN FINANCE? Global Plan for Trade Identification Targeted in 2013 by FSB
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:53 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-08/global-plan-for-trade-identification-targeted-in-2013-by-fsb.html

Global standards to identify parties in financial trades should be in place by March next year, the Financial Stability Board said today.

“This system would be a building block for many financial stability and regulatory objectives, and it would deliver substantial benefits to financial firms,” FSB Chairman Mark Carney said in an e-mailed statement.


The lack of global standard practices for capturing data prevents financial institutions from producing timely and accurate assessments of their risk management, Bank of England official Andrew Haldane said in a speech in March. He said Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. mistakenly excluded a $6 billion real-estate exposure in reports to its board months before its collapse. The FSB, based in Basel, Switzerland brings together global regulators and central bankers. It proposed a system for identifying financial counterparties in transactions which would include a 20-character alphanumeric code and the official name and address of the legal entity involved. The March 2013 implementation date is “ambitious,” the FSB said in its report, and “will require high level political support and strong engagement and co-operation with a wide range of private sector stakeholders.”

The FSB proposed a three-tiered system, consisting of a central oversight committee, an organization to develop detailed standards and a network of national bodies to implement the rules.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
50. Regulators want trades tagging system from March
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:58 AM
Jun 2012
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/08/us-g20-trading-idINBRE8570SL20120608

A global system to tag trades in stocks, bonds and derivatives that would help authorities spot risks and market abuse must be in place by March 2013, regulators said on Friday.

...In 2008 markets and regulators were alarmed by how much time they needed to find out who was exposed to derivatives transactions on the books of U.S. bank Lehman Brothers when it went bust. The FSB says the LEI system will help regulators share information across borders and spot market abuses more easily and help banks assess risks on their books better.

"This system would be the 'building block' for many financial stability and regulatory objectives, and it would deliver substantial benefits for financial firms," FSB Chairman and Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney said in a statement.

The G20 leaders meet later this month in Mexico, where they are set to give political backing to the FSB plans they requested last year...Full rollout to all trades will take years, starting with the $700 trillion over-the-counter or off-exchange derivatives market and then widening to stocks, bonds and other instruments...The FSB said the tagging system will be headed by a regulatory oversight committee whose members are drawn from public authorities to keep an eye on how the private sector operates the system...

LOTS OF DETAIL STILL AT LINK--READ ON

SEE ALSO:

http://www.securitiestechnologymonitor.com/news/3-tier-system-lei-fsb-proposed-30716-1.html

FOR THE REAL WONKY DETAIL

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
51. Euro Crisis Hits German Exports
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:59 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-exports-fall-in-april-2012-a-837694.html


For much of 2010 and 2011, the German economy seemed immune to the euro crisis raging around it. Now, however, it looks as though those days are over. Several indicators show that dark clouds are gathering over the country's economic output. The latest of those came on Friday.

According to data released on Friday by Germany's Federal Statistical Office, exports fell by 1.7 percent in April in comparison with March. The fall, while expected, was twice what most economists had forecast. It marks the first time in 2012 that German exports have fallen. In total, Germany exported €81.7 billion ($102 billion) worth of goods in April.
The data revealed that Germany can no longer count on the strength of growth in developing countries to offset the euro crisis. Exports to euro-zone countries mired in debt crises fell by 3.6 percent in April. Even though exports to non-European countries actually grew 10.3 percent in the month, demand from China and India has slowed, and German companies are worried.

"German companies have the feeling that foreign demand is not as dynamic as before and that the global economy is entering a weak phase," Dekabank economist Andreas Scheuerle told the conservative daily Die Welt. Still, he added, the main problem was more local. "The weakness is coming from the euro zone, where the debt crisis is not only taking the form of budget plans and savings programs, but it is also creating more uncertainty about the economic situation that's being reflected in weaker investment."
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
54. It's Because John Donne was English (British Isles) that He Could See: No Man is an Island
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:06 AM
Jun 2012

Britain prevailed over Europe because of the protection of the English Channel--until Hitler's V2 rockets breached that barrier.

The US relied on its oceans (and subjugated provinces of Canada and Mexico) for protection...until the global economy breached that--and that was a case of treachery from the US corporations. So the bombs are economic, and they were built by American banks and multinational, US origin corporations. Traitors and bumbling fools, all of them.

Now, India and China will probably finish us off. And Russia will pick up whatever pieces she can.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
53. A Sneak Peek at Tomorrow's Europe
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:02 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-looks-at-plans-for-poltical-union-and-budgetary-oversight-a-838142.html


Politics is a strange business, and one of its premier oddities is that monumental changes are rarely heralded by great speeches. Addresses indicating a shifting course tend not to be of the visionary variety. And the public attention paid to such utterances often has no relation to their far-reaching consequences.

Often, in fact, it is only a tiny verbal adjustment that hints at a great change. Or a slightly different tone presaging a new direction.
Listening closely to Chancellor Angela Merkel in recent weeks has revealed just such a change in tone. It has been a careful shift, extremely nuanced. But it has become clear that her well-known melody is now a new one.

"We need a so-called fiscal union," she said during an appearance on German public broadcaster ARD last week. "Which means more joint budgetary policy." Up to that point, Merkel had merely repeated that which she always demanded. But then came the new tone: "More than anything, we need a political union," she said. "That means that we must, step by step through the process, give up more powers to Europe as well and allow Europe oversight possibilities."
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
56. Socialists to Take Largest Number of French Parliament Seats
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:10 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-10/french-socialists-to-be-largest-group-in-french-parliament.html

French President Francois Hollande’s Socialist Party is set to win the largest number of seats in parliament, exit polls for the first round of the country’s legislative elections yesterday showed.

Hollande will have to wait until the June 17 second round to know if he has an absolute majority or will need allies in parliament, some of whom say his plans to increase spending and taxes are too timid.

In yesterday’s round, the Socialist Party and its Green and Left Front allies took 46.9 percent of the popular vote nationally, according to pollster Ipsos. Former President Nicolas Sarkozy’s Union for a Popular Movement and its allies got 34.6 percent. The Interior Ministry will issue official results later today.

“The Socialist Party has actually a good chance of winning an absolute majority on its own,” Dominique Barbet, an economist at BNP Paribas SA in Paris, wrote in a note to clients. “This would be helpful in case Hollande decides to deliver some austerity in the near future or, possibly, some structural reforms further down the road.”

MORE
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
57. Europe Dodges a Bank Crisis in Spain, but Perils Lurk By JACK EWING
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/11/business/global/as-focus-shifts-to-rescuing-spanish-banks-worries-grow-over-greece.html

With an agreement to bail out Spain’s struggling banks, Europe again avoided financial chaos in a debt crisis that is in its third year. But Europe still faces far bigger challenges that threaten the Continent and, with it, the world economy. The most urgent of those concerns is being driven by events in a country at the other edge of the euro zone: Greece. While the Spanish banking rescue will be expensive — as much as $125 billion — it will be well within the means of a European emergency fund established for just such purposes.

Far harder to calculate are the costs if, after Greek elections next Sunday, the new government reneges on the bailout Greece negotiated with its European lenders a few months ago. That could lead to a withdrawal from the euro zone, threatening that currency union, which has largely benefited more prosperous members like Germany.

What is more, the Spanish bailout will do little to address European banks’ addiction to the borrowed money they have depended on for their daily financing needs.

“The way the currency union has been functioning is not sustainable,” Jens Weidmann, the president of the German Bundesbank, told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper. “A breakup of the currency union would bring extremely high costs and risks that no one can really predict.”


Lucas Papademos, a former interim prime minister of Greece, said that Greece’s departure from the euro zone would be catastrophic, pushing inflation in the country to as high as 50 percent, putting extreme stress on Greek banks and slashing living standards.

“The stakes are exceptionally high,” Mr. Papademos, who is also a former vice president of the European Central Bank, told a group of bankers in Copenhagen last week. “Because the decisions to be made at, and immediately after, the forthcoming elections will determine the country’s future for at least the next decade.”


Those problems would not be Greece’s alone. Europe’s big fear is contagion — an infection of financial panic that could spread far beyond Greece. Spain’s leaders have long said Greece’s problems contributed to the general market uncertainties that helped undermine Spanish banks. NO, I DON'T THINK SO....IT WASN'T GREECE, IT WAS BANKSTER PRACTICES, THAT UNDERMINED BANKS AROUND THE GLOBE.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
58. The Macroeconomics of Chinese kleptocracy A MUST READ!
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jun 2012
http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2012/06/macroeconomics-of-chinese-kleptocracy.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+BronteCapital+%28Bronte+Capital%29


China is a kleptocracy of a scale never seen before in human history. This post aims to explain how this wave of theft is financed, what makes it sustainable and what will make it fail. There are several China experts I have chatted with – and many of the ideas are not original. The synthesis however is mine. Some sources do not want to be quoted.

The macroeconomic effects of the Chinese kleptocracy and the massive fixed-currency crisis in Europe are the dominant macroeconomic drivers of the global economy. As I am trying a comprehensive explanation for much of the world's economy in less that two thousand words I expect some kick-back.

China is a kleptocracy. Get used to it.

I start this analysis with China being a kleptocracy – a country ruled by thieves. That is a bold assertion – but I am going to have to assert it. People I know deep in the weeds (that is people who have to deal with the PRC and the children of the PRC elite) accept it. My personal experience is more limited but includes the following:

(a). The children and relatives of CPC Central Committee members are amongst the beneficiaries of the wave of stock fraud in the US,

(b). The response to the wave of stock fraud in the US and Hong Kong has not been to crack down on the perpetrators of the stock fraud (so to make markets work better). It has been to make Chinese statutory accounts less available to make it harder to detect stock fraud.

(c). When given direct evidence of fraudulent accounts in the US filed by a large company with CPC family members as beneficiaries or management a big 4 audit firm will (possibly at the risk to their global franchise) sign the accounts knowing full well that they are fraudulent. The auditors (including and arguably especially the big four) are co-opted for the benefit of Chinese kleptocrats.

This however is only the beginning of Chinese fraud. China is a mafia state – and Bo Xilai is just a recent public manifestation. If you want a good guide to the Chinese kleptocracy – including the crimes of Bo Xilai well before they made the international press look at this speech by John Garnaut to the US China Institute: SEE LINK AT SOURCE

NOW I KNOW WHERE OBAMA'S ECONOMIC POLICY CAME FROM--MADE IN CHINA!
 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
69. Deserves to be its own OP
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:11 PM
Jun 2012

Excellent article, Demeter. It deserves to be its own OP, maybe in GD for even better visibility.

I'll leave it to you since I'm on an i-pad...



-app

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
75. My thinking exactly
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:20 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:55 PM - Edit history (1)

But consider also that China has over 5000 years of continuous "civilization", or at least, culture. And Bush and Nixon went over there. Perhaps they taught us, or the GOP/Military/Industrial complex, at least.

Meanwhile, there's far too much Democratic hand-wringing, and far too little anything else, including teaching or even remembering history...

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
59. Debt crisis: Europe's democracies must not subcontract their destiny to the Bundebank
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:02 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/9322861/Debt-crisis-Europes-democracies-must-not-subcontract-their-destiny-to-the-Bundebank.html

Europe has lit the fuse on an economic and financial bomb. The rescue package for Spain cannot plausibly be contained to €100bn once it begins, given the subordination of private creditors and collapse of global confidence in the governing structure of monetary union...

BUT WHAT'S ONE MORE BOMB BETWEEN FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS?

Italy must guarantee 22pc of the bail-out funds, even though it cannot raise money itself at a sustainable rate. You could hardly design a surer way to pull Italy into the fire.

Citigroup warned over the weekend that Italy’s economy will shrink by 2.5pc this year and another 2pc next year as the fiscal squeeze starts in earnest, with grim implications for debt dynamics. Public debt will jump from 121pc of GDP to 137pc by 2014.

“The situation could rapidly become critical, because the country is highly vulnerable if the sovereign debt crisis persists or intensifies. A significant further rise in yields would deepen and extend the recession and accelerate the rise in the debt/GDP ratio, triggering a worsening vicious circle. We expect that Italy will have to request help,” it said.

The world is uncomfortably close to a 1931 moment. Italy’s public debt is the world’s third largest after the US and Japan at €1.9 trillion. There is no margin for political error...

ANOTHER MUST READ!
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
60. Spain’s Blood Wedding, Ireland’s Muted Rage, Europe’s tragedy
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:05 AM
Jun 2012
http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2012/06/10/spains-blood-wedding-irelands-muted-rage-europes-tragedy/

...Spain’s pain is not novel. It is a carbon copy of Ireland’s. A period of ponzi growth was occasioned by money-capital fleeing the metropoles of financialised capitalism, toward places like Spain and Ireland, in search of higher returns. It found its lucrative returns in a bubble created in the real estate business, aided and abetted by local banks, developers, politicians. Then, Wall Street came crashing down, capital fled (as is its wont at times of financial implosion) and the losses of the banks were passed on to states (the Spanish and Irish governments) which had been, interestingly, running a very tight ship for some time before the Crash. The change in political personnel made little difference. No state, however tightly or austerely is run, can survive (a) once mountains of losses are deposited on it, and (b) when it has no Central Bank of its own to help it remain afloat.

Just like Ireland’s government almost two years ago, so Spain’s now went through the same emotional cycle. First, they refused to accept that the state and the ‘national’ banks were embraced in deadly embrace that condemned both to insolvency. Denial caused angry rejections of the notion that the country would seek EU assistance. However, frustration was bound to follow the realisation that no other avenue was open to them. And, lastly, the bailout was announced in almost triumphant terms – as the road to national recovery and a demonstration of the wonders of European solidarity.

Tragically, of course, Spain’s ‘bailout’, exactly like Ireland’s, will achieve none of that. All that has happened is that proud nations like Ireland and Spain have now joined Greece and Portugal in the Workhouse that is the EFSF-ESM; the Temple of Ponzi Austerity. Structured as a giant CDO, the whole edifice is spearheading the disintegration of the Eurozone, with untold costs for the whole of Europe. If Greece was the canary in the mine, and Ireland the harbinger of a systemic Eurozone-wide crisis, Spain is the portend that Europe’s Reverse Alchemy has now began, dissolving the fabric of countries that, unlike Ireland, are too large to ignore.

Yet again, Europe avoided doing the rational thing

What would the rational thing be? For two years now we have been shouting from the rooftops (in the context of our Modest Proposal – see Policy 1) that unifying the Eurozone’s banking systems is a prerequisite for arresting the Crisis. A single currency area cannot afford to have separate banking sectors that are supervised by national governments. It is nonsensical to speak of Spanish banks, French banks, Irish banks and German banks when, by Treaty, Spanish and Irish citizens have the right to wire their deposits at will from one jurisdiction to another, with these transfers immediately switching from ‘assets’ of one national Central Bank to the ‘liabilities’ of another (i.e. the Target2 and ELA system of within-Eurozone capital movement accounting)...

ANOTHER MUST READ
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
61. Spread of 'baby boxes' in Europe alarms United Nations WOULD ALARM ANY SANE NATION
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:11 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/10/unitednations-europe-news

...over 400 children have been abandoned in hatches in Europe since 2000...The United Nations is increasingly concerned at the spread in Europe of "baby boxes" where infants can be secretly abandoned by parents, warning that the practice "contravenes the right of the child to be known and cared for by his or her parents", the Guardian has learned. The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, which reports on how well governments respect and protect children's human rights, is alarmed at the prevalence of the hatches – usually outside a hospital – which allow unwanted newborns to be left in boxes with an alarm or bell to summon a carer.

The committee, a group of 18 international human rights experts based in Geneva, says that while "foundling wheels" and baby hatches had disappeared from Europe in the last century, almost 200 have been installed across the continent in the past decade in nations as diverse as Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Poland, Czech Republic and Latvia. Since 2000, more than 400 children have been abandoned in the hatches, with faith groups and right-wing politicians spearheading the revival in the controversial practice.

Their proponents draw on the language of the pro-life lobby and claim the baby boxes "protect a child's right to life" and have saved "hundreds of newborns". There are differing opinions on this key social issue across Europe. In France and Holland women have the right to remain anonymous to their babies after giving birth, while in the UK it remains a crime to secretly abandon a child. However UN officials argue that baby hatches violate key parts of the Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) which says children must be able to identify their parents and even if separated from them the state has a "duty to respect the child's right to maintain personal relations with his or her parent". In an interview with the Guardian, Maria Herczog, a member of the UNCRC committee, said that the arguments from critics were a throwback to the past. "Just like medieval times in many countries we see people claiming that baby boxes prevent infanticide … there is no evidence for this."

Herczog, a prominent child psychologist from Hungary, says baby boxes should be replaced by better state provision of family planning, counselling for women and support for unplanned pregnancies. She likened the pro-baby box movements in Europe to the religious right in the US. "Very similar to the United States where we have the spread of the Safe Haven programme with baby boxes in 50 states since 1999. Now we have MEPs arguing for baby boxes and they just reject the convention."

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
62. The Bobblespeak Translations What They're Really Saying When They're Saying What They're Saying
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:18 AM
Jun 2012
http://moonshinepatriot.blogspot.com/2012/06/this-week-with-george-stephanopoulos.html

This Week with George Stephanopoulos - June 10, 2012
Guests:
David Axelrod
Rick Santorum
Ed Rendell
Van Jones
Mike Huckabee
Ann Coulter
***********************************

Stephanopoulos: Obama said the
private sector is doing fine!

Axelrod: that could be true

Stephanopoulos: Romney has a new ad out
blaming Obama for the 2007 recession

Axelrod: Obama but he wants to cut
taxes for small businesses and hire
firefighters and teachers

Stephanopoulos: what’s the catch

Axelrod: Romney is living on another planet
if he thinks firing cops is a great idea

Stephanopoulos: Romney / Kodos 2012

Stephanopoulos: you lost the recall in
Wisconsin and now Romney is raising
more money than you

Axelrod: sure he raising more cash --
he wants to give millionaires a big tax cut

Stephanopoulos: I like it

Axelrod: Mitt doesn’t great jobs - just ask
that prudish wacko Rick Santorum

Stephanopoulos: I intend to

Axelrod: we need an economy built to last
- until November anyway

Stephanopoulos: you think that’s a winning message?


AND THERE'S MORE!
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
63. Fed Colleague Backs Dimon
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:23 AM
Jun 2012
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303444204577458703152936564.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

Lee Bollinger is standing by James Dimon.

Mr. Bollinger, chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York's board of directors, said that fellow New York Fed board member Mr. Dimon shouldn't step down from his position at the central bank despite outcries of a conflict of interest following large trading losses at the bank Mr. Dimon helms, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.

"I do not think he should step down," Mr. Bollinger said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal. He said Mr. Dimon appears to have done nothing wrong...

LEE BOLLINGER? THE ASSHOLE FORMER PRESIDENT OF UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN, WHO NEARLY BROUGHT THAT INSTITUTION TO ITS KNEES? THE ONE WHO MOVED ON TO COLUMBIA IN THE NICK OF TIME...THAT LEE BOLLINGER?

YEP. FAILING UPWARD. IT'S AN AMERICAN ELITIST INSTITUTION--THE PETER PRINCIPLE!
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
64. There is No Systemic Mortgage Fraud and We Have the Proof!
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jun 2012
http://econintersect.com/b2evolution/blog1.php/2012/06/11/there-is-no-systemic-mortgage-fraud-and-we-have-the-proof

Econintersect: It appears that the existence of mortgage fraud is a myth perpetrated by a few firebrand internet types called bloggers. Econintersect has found irrefutable proof of this massive hoax perpetrated by a few reprobates who probably should be pursued for fraud, slander and debasement of commerce, the banking system and country. On Friday morning (8 June 2012) a panel was convened by David Dayen to discuss foreclosure fraud at the Netroots Nation 2012 conference in Providence, RI. The panel was comprised of Neil Borofsky, Lynn Szymoniak and Malcolm Chu. The title of the session: Foreclosure Fraud: How the Banks Broke the Housing Market and How We are Fighting Back. It is because of this session that Econintersect has developed its proof that there is no fraud.

Follow up:

We have done a Google search (at 1:30 pm New York time, Sunday 10 June 2012) for the three names: Lynn Szymoniak, Malcolm Chu, Neil Barofsky in a group, with the commas and in that order.

The first page contained listings for eleven blogs with crazy names like FireDogLake, emptywheel, stopforeclosurefraud and Occupy Boston. No reputable news sources were there.

On the second page nine more of the same, but Huffington Post was found near the bottom of the page. We mention that for those who might think HP is a reputable news source.

On the third page there were eleven more listings with another Huffington Post article, next to last.

The fourth page had two hits for TV Guide, but opening them found nothing obviously related to the conference. There were eight more of these crazy sounding blogs on this page.

For pages 5-7 there were 27 more entries but no “reputable” news sources such as The New York Times, Washington Post or Wall Street Journal. The only news outlet found in the 67 listings from Google was the Huffington Post, and some may consider that an electronic media Johnny-Come-Lately. These results came more than 48 hours after the panel discussion ended. Obviously there was no news from this panel.

For those who wonder if it was lack of credentials of the panelists, here are brief resumes:

Lynn Szymoniak has appeared on 60 Minutes (2011) and is a well-known mortgage fraud whistleblower. She received an $18 million payment as her share of a settlement obtained by the justice department from major banks in settlement of charges of robo-signing abuses. (Editor’s note: Aren’t whistleblowers simply opportunists?)

Malcolm Chu is a community organizer from Springfield, MA who has been a leader locally and nationally in mobilizing tenants, homeowners and former homeowners to protect their rights in foreclosure proceedings and to end foreclosure abuse practices. (Editor’s note: Okay, he’s a community organizer and that is a very suspicious activity. How could it ever produce a national leader?)

Neil Barofsky is a Senior Fellow at the NYU Law Center and an adjunct professor at NYU Law School. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Barofsky, "[a] life-long Democrat who donated money to the Obama campaign,"[2] was nominated for the job of overseeing the TARP by President George W. Bush on November 14, 2008[3] and was confirmed by the United States Senate on December 8, 2008, after confirmation was delayed by an anonymous Republican Senator.[4]

(Editor’s note: A life-long Democrat and Obama contributor? Credibility shot! At least one Republican senator was aware of how dangerous he was and had the courage to stand up anonymously.)

So Econintersect’s case is made. QED!! The main stream media has ignored this panel discussion by “experts.” This is proof there is obviously no systemic mortgage fraud crisis, at least not as far as lenders are concerned. It is all a hoax perpetrated by people with a special agenda. The absence of coverage by those who “matter” is damning evidence of this fraudulent attempt to deflect attention from the millions of homeowners who forced the banks to issue them mortgages they couldn’t afford on real estate which was over-priced.

Disclaimer: This “news” article is a lame attempt by Econintersect to emulate the style of another publication we read quite often, The Onion.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
65. Paying mortgage isn't a top priority in tough times, research shows
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-umberger-20120610%2c0%2c7996666.story

A financial expert says the traditional payment hierarchy has shifted, and that consumers are worried more about their cars and credit cards than their homes. If we've learned one thing from the housing downturn, it's that making the monthly mortgage payment is no longer a sacred concept in many American households. In recent years, when facing financial pressure, homeowners have been more likely to let the mortgage slide before they would fall behind on their credit card bills, researchers have found.

But it turns out that the mortgage is even less sacred than we thought: When times are tight, consumers put paying for their cars first. Then the credit cards will be paid. The once-mighty mortgage has slipped to No. 3. Ezra Becker, vice president of research and consulting at TransUnion's financial services business unit, discussed why mortgages have lost their place in line...

"...the prevailing attitude has long been you always pay your mortgage first, no matter what. If you were under financial stress, you would pay your mortgage first, then your credit cards, then your car payment. That's the traditional payment hierarchy. But until the latest recession started, nobody even called it the "traditional payment hierarchy"; it was just "the payment hierarchy."...One of the things we noticed at the beginning of the recession was that delinquency rates on mortgages were skyrocketing, but they were controlled in the credit card space. We knew this was weird. If the traditional payment hierarchy were holding true, credit card delinquencies also would have skyrocketed too.

So we studied the data in 2010 and later updated it, concluding that credit cards had, indeed, become the top priority. But we didn't include car payments in those studies, so we did a second update, studying 4 million people who had a mortgage and at least one credit card account and one auto loan.

We found that in 2011, consumers were likely to pay their auto loans before their credit cards, and then their mortgages. It was true in all 50 states and the District of Columbia and across different risk tiers, such as prime versus subprime. It was illuminating to see that credit cards aren't the most important credit to people; it's auto loans....It's not that consumers have become irrational; they're actually rational. This question of which bill to pay first is not for people who are gainfully employed. They can and do meet their debt service obligations. It comes into play when they're financially stressed and thinking, "I don't have enough to pay all my debts this month. What am I not going to pay?" It's where the rubber meets the road.

MORE DISCUSSION AT LINK
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
95. There are about 12 million home loans underwater, near as I can tell. I know people
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:58 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:56 PM - Edit history (1)

get kind of oblivious to what is going on around them, but I wonder how long it will be
before they realize they could be paying a hundred thousand or more dollars for the privilege
of avoiding a few years of bankruptcy and no debt vs a home that may still be decreasing in value.

When they go to sell it, assuming they make it to the end, there will be not only the decrease in value but a 6% agents commission off of what's left.

We got a guy running for president that tells us it's perfectly acceptable, a president that tells us a business that uses the law that way is good business, yet these people keep lining up for the slaughter every month.

I know there are a few with 401(K) investments, but from the stats it seems that nearly half of all seniors are retiring with barely a third of what they are going to lose on their home.

I wonder who hopes they never decide to look at their options....




 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
66. Greece Threatens Wall Street Jobs in Third Trading Plunge
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:02 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-11/greece-threatens-wall-street-jobs-in-third-trading-plunge.html

Wall Street bankers and traders, given hope by a market rebound in the first quarter, are now seeing earnings and paychecks threatened by turmoil in Greece in what is becoming an annual cycle. For a third consecutive year, revenue from investment banking and trading at U.S. firms may fall at least 30 percent from the first quarter, Richard Ramsden, a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) analyst, said in a note last week. Greece, which gave English the word “cycle,” has been the main reason each year that the second quarter soured after a promising first three months. Deal volume has dropped and equity and credit markets have fallen on concern that Greece may abandon the euro and the European sovereign-debt crisis will spread to nations including Spain. Those economic issues cut profit, bonuses and jobs at Wall Street firms in last year’s second half and threaten to do the same in 2012.

“It’s going to be a tough summer at least, and it does feel like the last couple years all over again,” said David Konrad, an analyst at KBW Inc. in New York. “The bank valuations seem unfairly discounted, but investors are looking at this year and saying, ‘I’m not going to fall for this again.’”


Greece is compounding the impact of stiffer capital rules and trading restrictions for banks imposed after 2008’s credit crisis. Those measures already were fueling concern that the industry may be locked in a long-term slump. Combined trading and investment-banking revenue at the five biggest Wall Street banks -- JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), Goldman Sachs, Bank of America Corp. (BAC), Citigroup Inc. (C) and Morgan Stanley -- is likely to drop from a year earlier for the seventh time in eight quarters, according to analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. The five banks generated about $33 billion from those businesses in the first three months of the year, excluding accounting charges. That was led by $20 billion from fixed- income trading. Revenue from trading typically peaks in the first quarter in part because corporations raise more debt at the beginning of the year, stoking fixed-income operations, said Roger Freeman, an analyst at Barclays Plc.

Still, a normal seasonal decline for fixed-income trading revenue in the second quarter is 15 percent, while this year probably will be 30 percent to 40 percent, Goldman Sachs’s Ramsden said. Last year, the second-quarter drop for U.S. firms was about 31 percent, while in 2010 it was more than 40 percent. Those declines were followed by weak third and fourth quarters that featured investment-banking and trading revenues more than 40 percent off the first-quarter pace. The chances of that trend recurring this year look “increasingly likely,” Kian Abouhossein, an analyst at New York-based JPMorgan, wrote in a note last month...

MUCH MORE AT LINK

WELL, THEY HAVE GOLDMAN SACHS TO THANK, FOR SETTING UP GREECE IN THE EUROZONE...WANKERS!
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
67. GE Weighs Cuts to Lending Unit
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303296604577454512261706078.html?mod=WSJEUROPE_hps_LEFTTopWhatNews

General Electric Co. is considering breaking off big chunks of its lending business, heeding the wishes of investors who are uncomfortable that the conglomerate owns what amounts to one of the country's largest banks.

GE has worked since the financial crisis to slim down GE Capital by selling assets and allowing its loan portfolio to shrink.

Now top executives are looking at going further, including possibly selling businesses in GE Capital's consumer-finance portfolio, such as private-label credit cards or showroom financing for products like snowblowers or lawn mowers, according to three people familiar with the company's thinking....

GETTING OUT WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD....

Eugene

(61,974 posts)
76. Fitch cuts Santander & BBVA to BBB-plus
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:11 PM
Jun 2012

Source: Reuters

UPDATE 1-Fitch cuts Santander & BBVA to BBB-plus

Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:49am EDT

(Reuters) - Fitch Ratings on Monday cut the long-term credit ratings for Spanish banks Banco Santander and Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria to BBB-plus from A, following Fitch's three-notch cut to the country's sovereign rating last week.

The ratings on both Santander, the euro zone's largest bank, and BBVA now carry a negative outlook, Fitch said in a statement.

The downgrades reflect worries similar to those affecting the sovereign rating, including expectations that Spain will remain in recession through 2013, the statement said.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/11/spain-banks-ratings-idUSL1E8HB53120120611

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
77. What happened in the last 15 minutes?
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jun 2012

Dow dropped about 70 points in the time it took me to load the dishwasher.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
80. Here's an interesting idea. Condemn mortgages under eminent domain.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47743780/ns/business-real_estate/#.T9ZS0bVQREM

Investors tout 'condemnation' for housing fix
Eminent domain has never been used to seize mortgages of investors or institutions.

By Matthew Goldstein and Jennifer Ablan
updated 6/11/2012 7:36:43 AM ET

NEW YORK — Here's a controversial but intriguing approach to the U.S. housing crisis: keep cash-strapped residents in their homes by condemning their mortgages.

A mortgage firm backed by a number of prominent West Coast financiers is pushing local politicians in California and a handful of other states hardest hit by the housing crisis to use eminent domain to restructure mortgages that borrowers owe more money on than their homes are actually worth.

San Francisco-based Mortgage Resolution Partners, in a presentation reviewed by Reuters, says condemning so-called underwater mortgages and taking them out of the hands of private lenders and bondholders is "the only practical way to modify mortgages on a large enough scale to solve the housing crisis."

Eminent domain is a well-tested power by local government to get a court order to take over a property it deems either blighted or needed for the public good.

Over the years, governments have used eminent domain authority to clear urban slums or seize land to build highways and bridges.

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Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
87. Limit it to individual human borrowers so that it isn't just turn into
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:15 PM
Jun 2012

another corporate welfare program, and I think it has potential.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
90. Anything that ISN'T Business as Usual would be a good thing.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jun 2012

Especially if it doesn't hurt people.

You know, people? Biological bipedal units, usually congregate in families and tribes....

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