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femmedem

(8,213 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:58 PM Jul 2016

China hopes to build a $50 trillion global wind and solar power grid by 2050

"One thing you can't fault China for, lack of ambition. By 2050, the country hopes to lead efforts to build a $50 trillion global wind and solar power grid that would completely change how the world is powered.

The Global Energy Interconnection (GEI) project was first introduced by the State Grid Corporation of China (SGCC) last year. Liu Zhenya, the SGCC chairman, expounded on the project during a visit earlier this month to Switzerland to meet with the heads of the ABB Group and the World Business Council for Sustainable Development.

According to the World Economic Forum, the project won't just be about connecting countries' energy grids, but actually generating enough power to run the world. China hopes to connect wind farms in the Arctic Circle with solar farms located on the Equator, in a system that will transcend national boundaries and provide clean energy everywhere..."

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China hopes to build a $50 trillion global wind and solar power grid by 2050 (Original Post) femmedem Jul 2016 OP
Bumping because I'm hoping people with more knowledge than I have will chime in femmedem Jul 2016 #1
Yes it's plausible, Buckminster Fuller proposed it long ago. bananas Jul 2016 #2
Wow! Thank you! n/t femmedem Jul 2016 #3
It cost two trillion bucks in the last ten years to build the existing piles of solar and wind junk. NNadir Jul 2016 #4
By the way... kristopher Jul 2016 #5
Also, by the way..... NickB79 Jul 2016 #6
How does that justify misrepresenting the situation in regard to renewables? kristopher Jul 2016 #7

femmedem

(8,213 posts)
1. Bumping because I'm hoping people with more knowledge than I have will chime in
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jul 2016

and say whether this seems plausible.

NNadir

(33,594 posts)
4. It cost two trillion bucks in the last ten years to build the existing piles of solar and wind junk.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jul 2016

It's been useless against climate change, which is now accelerating at the fastest rate ever observed.

China controls the majority of the world's supply of lanthanide elements, but even China doesn't have enough of them to make the so called "renewable energy" scheme work, because it's not, in fact, renewable, as it relies on mining vast quantities of rare and fairly toxic materials.

The so called "renewable energy" industry hasn't worked; it isn't working; and it won't work. The reason is the low energy to mass ratio that wind and solar plants have; and the need to store energy, which is a thermodynamic, and thus economic and environmental waste.

2015, after half a century Sisyphean effort to squander money on so called "renewable energy" was the worst year ever observed for the accumulation of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and 2016 thus far is on track to blow that 3.05 ppm per year figure away completely.

The reason that this will happen is the unending capacity people have to lie to themselves.

NickB79

(19,301 posts)
6. Also, by the way.....
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jul 2016
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/19052016/global-co2-emissions-still-accelerating-noaa-greenhouse-gas-index

The level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not just rising, it's accelerating, and another potent greenhouse gas, methane showed a big spike last year, according to the latest annual greenhouse gas index released by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

CO2 emissions totaled between 35 and 40 billion tons in 2015, according to several agencies. Some of that is absorbed by forests and oceans, but those natural systems are being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of new CO2. As a result, the inventory shows, the average global concentration increased to 399 parts per million in 2015, a record jump of almost 3 ppm from the year before.

Methane levels jumped 11 parts per billion from 2014 to 2015, nearly double the rate they were increasing from 2007 to 2013. Methane, and other greenhouse gases like nitrous oxide and tropospheric ozone, are measured in parts per billion because the concentrations are lower.

"This inventory shows the rate of releases are increasing. It's going completely in the wrong direction, with no sign that the planet as a whole has the problem under control," said Kevin Trenberth, a senior scientist in the climate analysis section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research who wasn't involved in compiling the inventory.


Also: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1127100435

Professor James Curran, former chief executive of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency (Sepa), says analysis of global atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases suggest the planet’s ability to absorb ever-increasing emissions may have reached “peak carbon”.

“One of the things I really wanted to do when I retired from Sepa was find out if you could detect this decline in the ability of the earth to soak up carbon dioxide. And sure enough, it turns out you can,” he said.

“By doing this study in 2016, when the peak occurred about ten years ago, I found there is just enough data to show that it’s very likely there has been a peak in the earth’s ability to soak up carbon dioxide and now it’s in decline.”

The scale of this reduction in capacity can be equated to adding another emitter on the scale of China into the global inventory, he says.


We're gonna need a lot more panels and turbines........

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. How does that justify misrepresenting the situation in regard to renewables?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jul 2016

It doesn't. The falsehoods and misrepresentations denigrating renewables are in service to the profits of an industry threatened with extinction by the data in those charts.

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