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Eugene

(61,974 posts)
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:30 PM Sep 2017

California bill to wean power sector off fossil fuels dies for this year

Source: Reuters

#COMMODITIES SEPTEMBER 16, 2017 / 5:42 AM / UPDATED 7 HOURS AGO

California bill to wean power sector off fossil fuels dies for this year

Reuters Staff
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - A long-shot plan to wean California’s power sector entirely off fossil fuels by 2045 was put on hold until 2018 on Saturday, as lawmakers recessed for the year without hearing the measure.

The bill was strongly opposed by the state’s investor-owned utility companies, who said it would not protect consumers from the expense of speeding up the switch to renewable and carbon neutral fuels.

Assemblyman Chris Holden, who held the measure in his Utilities and Energy Committee, said he would consider it again when the legislature returns in January for the second half of its two-year session.

Reporting by Brendan O'Brien in Milwaukee; Editing by Andrew Bolton

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-politics-power/california-bill-to-wean-power-sector-off-fossil-fuels-dies-for-this-year-idUSKCN1BR097

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California bill to wean power sector off fossil fuels dies for this year (Original Post) Eugene Sep 2017 OP
Aren't they sweet? SHRED Sep 2017 #1
Bad news but at least there's a push. Duppers Sep 2017 #2
To be fair, nobody explained how that might be accomplished. hunter Sep 2017 #3
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
1. Aren't they sweet?
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 12:33 PM
Sep 2017
The bill was strongly opposed by the state’s investor-owned utility companies, who said it would not protect consumers from the expense of speeding up the switch to renewable and carbon neutral fuels.


They care about us.

hunter

(38,353 posts)
3. To be fair, nobody explained how that might be accomplished.
Sat Sep 16, 2017, 06:14 PM
Sep 2017

Some utterly humongous off channel pumped storage projects might do the trick, and they'd be among the world's largest engineering projects.

Or maybe we're talking nuclear power.

Hmmmm.....

Disconnecting from the fossil fuel powered electric grid isn't easy in a single family home and it's not any easier on the scale of a large state and economic power like California.

Some places get by very well with large hydro projects (e.g. Norway), but that can be catastrophic in times of drought. Venezuela depends almost entirely on hydroelectric power and drought was a very significant factor in their economic collapse.

I don't accept any arm waving about batteries and imaginary synergies. Germany accepted those arguments and the only reason it works, somewhat, is the graciousness of neighbors like France and Norway acting like shock absorbers against the wild production swings of German solar and wind power. (We won't speak of Germany's embarrassing coal plants.)

Don't believe me about Germany? The near real time power mix graphs are here:

https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm

Looks like fossil fuels are on the menu tonight and not much else.

At least they are transparent about it.

My own California power mix is described here:


It's not bad by national or international standards.

Squeezing out the nimble gas power plants and "unspecified" grid purchases is not a negligible engineering problem.

It will also be interesting to watch what the impact of electric cars and delivery vehicles will be. If we cover all the parking lots with solar panels and offer "free" car charging underneath to employees and customers, maybe it won't be so bad. Solar covered parking lots are growing like weeds in my city.

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