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NNadir

(33,621 posts)
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 07:50 PM Sep 2023

Worse and worse; not a closed cycle economy but rather circular reasoning; a perpetual motion...

...machine.

I have heard, so as to believe it, that the patent office now requires a working model to patent perpetual motion machines.

Apparently though - although I suspect the authors might be able to wiggle out of what is implied by their description of this topic by claiming a bad translation - one can more or less publish one in the scientific literature.

To wit:

Research Status, Optimization Strategies, and Future Prospects of Ammonia Decomposition Catalysts for COx-Free Hydrogen Chunzheng Zheng, Bin Guan, Jiangfeng Guo, Tianxu Su, Jiefei Zhou, Junyan Chen, Yaoyao Zhang, Yuheng Yuan, Wenkai Xie, Nanxin Zhou, and Zhen Huang Industrial & Engineering Chemistry Research 2023 62 (29), 11305-11336.

Ammonia is manufactured from hydrogen and nitrogen in the famous, and extremely important Haber-Bosch process, using dangerous natural gas as a hydrogen source. The hydrogen is produced from the steam reforming of dangerous natural gas in most places, coal in China.

For example, in Germany, a major ammonia plant shut because of the price of dangerous natural gas, which antinuke Germany used to buy from Russia, thus providing funding for the Ukraine War. Fossil fuel salespeople and salesbots are very fond of Germany's energy policies apparently.

In this paper we seem to hear that ammonia, which is made from hydrogen at a thermodynamic loss, NH3, ?G°(635 K) = 20.084 kj/mol is now a source of hydrogen.

The paper starts off well enough stating some things that are partially true, although they seem to imply, as fossil fuel sales people and sales bots here and elsewhere do, that hydrogen is a source of primary energy before lapsing into nonsensical appeals to useless, hyped and extremely land and material expensive solar wind and biomass primary sources, although as of September 2023, um, now very little, so little as to be meaningless hydrogen is so made. Not only is so called "renewable energy useless in producing reliable primary energy on a scale worthy of addressing climate change, it is trivial to the point of absurdity in making hydrogen, the rhetoric from fossil fuel sales people and sales bots rebranding fossil fuels with "bait and switch" tactics here and elsewhere not withstanding.

The paper starts off with a true statement:

At present, fossil energy is still the most important form of energy in human society...


Before the sentence is complete however immediately flies off into wishful thinking...

...due to the limited global reserves and the irreversible negative impact on the environment caused by using fossil energy, the search for a new form of energy with environmental protection, safety, economy, and sustainable development has become a hot direction for the reform of the global energy industry.


...followed by a direct falsehood...

Currently, carbon reduction is the main theme of global energy industry development. Achieving the goal of “carbon neutrality” in order to actively respond to global energy changes is the goal of all countries around the world.


Finally it launches into complete nonsense...

...A promising alternative to fossil fuels is hydrogen. Among secondary energy carriers, hydrogen energy is considered ideal due to its rich sources, high combustion heat, zero carbon emissions, and other advantages. Its low heating value (LHV) is 119.96 MJ/kg, which is much higher than those of other fuels (methane 50.00 MJ/kg, ethane 47.62 MJ/kg, diesel 43.4 MJ/kg). Higher LHV fuel is beneficial for energy usage as it provides more energy content, resulting in higher combustion efficiency and occupying less physical space, leading to lower transportation and storage costs. The downstream application scenarios of the hydrogen energy industry can be divided into four main areas: industry, transport, construction, and electricity, involving hydrocracking and coal gasification, fuel cell vehicles, cooling systems, and power generation, respectively...


...before stumbling back to a weak correction of the nonsense statement that is an outright falsehood since better than 98% of the world's hydrogen is not an "alternative" to fossil fuels, but represents a dependency on fossil fuels that is worse than the use of fossil fuels directly (were it actually a fuel, rather than a synthetic intermediate largely used to make, um, ammonia for fertilizer and industrial chemicals.

The weak stumble back to reality from Neverland...

1.1. Current Status of Hydrogen Energy


...starts off with a dose of reality, including a statement indicating that this hydrogen bullshit is hardly new bullshit; it's old tiresome bullshit...

Although the concept of “hydrogen economy” was put forward decades ago, (2) the diffusion of “hydrogen economy” is limited by the cost of hydrogen production, storage, and transportation...
...

...and then the statement implying we're about to hear about a perpetual motion machine...

H2 does not exist directly in nature but rather as compounds in ammonia,...


...before finishing with other hydrogen containing compounds...

...water, hydrocarbons, etc., and must be chemically transformed to be obtained...


...and after all this rhetorical agony gets stumbles back to reality, although in China, where the authors are located, the catalytic steam reforming of coal is industrially prominent, as acknowledged offhandedly above...

Nowadays, catalytic steam reforming of natural gas is currently the source of almost all hydrogen production and is a proven and inexpensive commercial technology. (3?5) However, the catalytic reforming of fossil fuels to produce hydrogen still results in emissions to the environment in the form of CO2...


...before adding a disingenuous clause...

which is not in line with the original intent of the hydrogen economy.


From my perspective, here and elsewhere, the intent of "hydrogen economy" bullshit is essentially to market fossil fuels as if they were "green." Making hydrogen depends on fossil fuels, at a huge economic, environmental and thermodynamic cost of exergy destruction.

A Giant Climate Lie: When they're selling hydrogen, what they're really selling is fossil fuels.

The authors then launch into wishful thinking that is taken up by fossil fuel salespeople and salesbots to greenwash the dependence of hydrogen production almost exclusively on fossil fuels by pretending that significant "green hydrogen" is really "a thing" as opposed to a marketing gimmick:

Therefore, in order to realize the advantages of a hydrogen economy, it is necessary to find carbon-free fuels to produce hydrogen. Hydrogen production from electrolytic water, solar photocatalytic decomposition of water, and biomass have been proposed as alternatives to hydrogen production from fossil fuels.


...but then points to why this marketing gimmick is just a mildly expensive advertising cost to obscure the reality that hydrogen is a filthy fuel

But electrolysis of water still requires very high costs because of the high energy losses. (6) Technical routes such as direct biomass to hydrogen and solar photocatalytic decomposition of water to hydrogen are still at the experimental and development stages, with yield rates to be further improved, and have not yet reached the requirements for industrial scale hydrogen production.

I added the bold.

The paper then happily goes along talking all about how to decompose ammonia; the science of ammonia decomposition into its elements is OK, I guess, although it is simply a statement of the reverse (and energy intensive) Haber-Bosch process, in other words, to the extent that ammonia is advertised as if it were a source of hydrogen, rather than a means of storing a material, at a cost in exergy destruction, that is already a material manufactured at a cost in exergy destruction from dangerous fossil fuels.

In fairness to the authors of the paper I have just criticized in no uncertain terms, I think that the statement of the "perpetual motion" machine may amount to an editorial mistake.

Nevertheless each transformation, primary energy (irrespective of its nature) to hydrogen, hydrogen to ammonia, ammonia back to hydrogen, and hydrogen to work, destroys exergy.

(A caveat is that from a process perspective, if hydrogen is produced from energy that is currently rejected to the environment in current technology, by this I mean heat energy, it can be used to increase exergy from a primary heat energy source, but only at very high temperatures, temperatures available cleanly only from nuclear energy.)

But the idea of using ammonia as a consumer fuel is even more appalling that the idea of using hydrogen itself as a consumer fuel, a point I made recently: Another very bad idea that never goes away.

The authors glib statement about the toxicity of ammonia is incredibly disingenuous:

Although ammonia has certain toxicity, the odor of ammonia can be detected below the safe concentration level (25 cm3NH3/m3air). The combustion and explosion range of ammonia is relatively narrow (16% ? 25%), far less than that of H2 (4% ? 75%), so there is almost no flammable risk after leakage.


The idea that a leak of an ammonia pipeline carrying potentially millions of tons of ammonia - were it to be on a scale of the dangerous natural gas, which accounts for almost all of the world's hydrogen production - would be "detected" and acted upon quickly enough to prevent the blinding and death of huge numbers of people - Bhopal on steroids - is completely dishonest.

In any case, ammonia is not a source of hydrogen, hydrogen is a source of ammonia, the main source of ammonia, on which our food supply depends, but thankfully, not our energy technology.

I have noted, by the way, that fossil fuel sales people and salesbots here and elsewhere rebranding fossil fuels as "green" hydrogen like to attack nuclear energy.

Of course they do. They're selling fossil fuels, and nuclear energy (which can generate captive hydrogen for synthetic purposes) is the only way to do away with what they're selling, fossil fuels.

Once again:

A Giant Climate Lie: When they're selling hydrogen, what they're really selling is fossil fuels.

Have a happy Labor day if you're not laboring.

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Worse and worse; not a closed cycle economy but rather circular reasoning; a perpetual motion... (Original Post) NNadir Sep 2023 OP
Thanks for that detailed description and your narrative. erronis Sep 2023 #1

erronis

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1. Thanks for that detailed description and your narrative.
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 08:38 PM
Sep 2023

As soon as you labeled this as "perpetual motion" I understood that it was another tale of something too good to be true.

I have no idea of the energy and chemical flows necessary to make this scheme work are realistic. But it seems to be selling snake oil to either the willingly duped or the mentally challenged.

I was briefly associated with a company that was selling the idea (and shares) in a concept that would use very long tubes from the surface of the oceans to the deep floors and generate electricity based on the convection currents. And, of course, use that energy to desalinate the ocean waters. It was fun watching their presentations and very rarely someone pony up some serious cash.

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