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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,976 posts)
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 11:06 AM Oct 2023

Jackson (Wyoming) Buys 8 Electric Buses For Transit System, But None Are Working

I corrected the link to the Jackson Hole News & Guide.

Jackson Buys 8 Electric Buses For Transit System, But None Are Working

A transit system run by the town of Jackson and Teton County set out to replace its diesel buses with electric, but none of the eight electric buses in its fleet are running, and the company that made them went bankrupt.

Kevin Killough
September 26, 2023 • 6 min read



Jackson START EV bus 9 26 23

Teton County and the town of Jackson had set its sights on a low-emission transit system for the county. ... The Southern Teton Area Rapid Transit (START) system, a joint operation between Jackson and Teton County, bought eight electric buses to complement its fleet of 31. ... But none of the electric buses are running, and so the town’s transit system is relying on its diesel fleet.

Bankruptcy

Last month, the electric bus manufacturer that supplied START, California-based Proterra, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

The Jackson Hole News & Guide reports that the last of the electric buses went out of service two months ago, and some of the broken buses have been awaiting parts for months.

START Director Bruce Abel told Cowboy State Daily that the agency still isn’t sure when those parts will come or when its electric fleet will be running again. ... “We’re evaluating our options to see how we can work through that and make sure that they can be on the road,” Abel said.

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Bankruptcy stalls electric buses, transit expansion

Proterra, maker of 8 START buses, files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, leaving dearth of parts.

By Sophia Boyd-Fliegel Sep 20, 2023



A Proterra electric bus runs a Teton Village START route during a 2019 demo. START worries that company’s bankruptcy will make getting parts even harder.

REBECCA NOBLE / NEWS&GUIDE FILE

All eight of START’s electric buses are out of commission and not expected to return to service soon, as the manufacturer, Proterra, filed for bankruptcy protection last month. ... In Bruce Abel’s nearly two-year tenure as interim and now director of START, he remembers only about five of the eight Proterra buses operational at one time, with that ratio dropping over the summer.

For commuters the broken buses mean that instead of expanding service in Star Valley and Teton Valley, Idaho, START will maintain the current number of trips to and from neighboring counties. Commuters, however, can look forward early October, when six new diesel-powered coaches are set to arrive, featuring plush seats and more room.

Proterra’s complications have not helped START’s ambitious goal of transitioning to 40% electric power. ... The transit organization has been waiting on parts for some buses for months, and the last bus went out of service two months ago. Abel said he’s worried the company’s seeking Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Aug. 7 will push back parts even further.

“They have always been very challenging parts to supply,” Abel said in an interview. “Now with them in bankruptcy, we don’t expect their suppliers to supply them to supply us.”

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Contact Sophia Boyd-Fliegel at 307-732-7063 or sbf@jhnewsandguide.com.

Sophia Boyd-Fliegel
Sophia covers county politics, housing, and workforce issues. A Pacific Coast devotee, she grew up in Washington, studied in California and has worked in Oregon and Alaska.
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Jackson (Wyoming) Buys 8 Electric Buses For Transit System, But None Are Working (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2023 OP
Well that's a novel way to save the climate. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2023 #1
That town... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #2
It must be hard for Jackson... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #3
And that's why it is like it is now... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #7
Yeah... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #4
There are multiple factors to consider OKIsItJustMe Oct 2023 #8
Proterra was an industry leader. CoopersDad Oct 2023 #5
The company is seeking Chapter 11 bankruptcy. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2023 #6
Oh good... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #9
Which parts need replacing? hunter Oct 2023 #10

2naSalit

(87,303 posts)
2. That town...
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 11:23 AM
Oct 2023

Has been plagued with poor planning for three or four decades, sad to watch. In other communities in the region there is a warning issued among the inhabitants about becoming a nice little town that, "...gets Jackson Holed".

It's happening to the Montana and Idaho towns surrounding YNP. It will kill the ecosystem faster than global warming/climate change.

2naSalit

(87,303 posts)
7. And that's why it is like it is now...
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 11:41 AM
Oct 2023

A sleepy little mountain town that the uber-wealthy redwingers "discover" and trash with Californiacation.

The locals were overwhelmed by money and fame and lost everything of value for it.

OKIsItJustMe

(19,968 posts)
8. There are multiple factors to consider
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 01:32 PM
Oct 2023

For a long-haul, intercity bus line, hydrogen may make the most sense.

For a short-route, intracity transit bus, batteries may make more sense.

WILLIAM RALSTON | BUSINESS | 30.11.2020 06:00 AM
Wired: How Shenzhen turned all its 16,000 buses fully electric

E-buses could be the future of environmentally-friendly public transport, but the upfront costs and charging infrastructure are holding back adoption

Shenzhen, China is the world’s first city to realize the full electrification of its bus fleet. Besides the fact that they’re quieter, the city’s 16,000 electric buses emit around 48 per cent less carbon dioxide and much fewer pollutants. They’re also cheaper to fuel and, with their streamlined engines, easier to maintain. (Shenzhen Bus Group, the largest of the three bus companies in the city, estimates that an electric bus costs approximately $98,000 annually, compared to $112,000 for a diesel bus.)

As they seek to curb carbon emissions, global municipal leaders are pledging to replace all or part of their city’s fleets with e-buses. But there are hurdles: upfront costs vary depending on location, but are approximately two to four times that of a diesel bus.

Pilot phases have also exposed e-bus shortcomings. They struggled on the rough roads in Bogota, Colombia, and on the steep hills of Cape Town. Albuquerque, New Mexico cancelled orders having found equipment problems in testing, and the batteries can struggle with extreme temperatures.

Then there’s the problem of infrastructure. E-buses need to be charged approximately every 200km, and chargers are expensive. They also use up a lot of space and power. Shenzhen’s fleet uses approximately 4,000 megawatt-hours (MWh), which is a lot when you consider that 1 MWh will power about 300 homes for an hour. “Buying the buses is one thing, but electrification requires you to change your whole business model and network,” says Joseph Ma, deputy general manager at Shenzhen Bus Group.

CoopersDad

(2,210 posts)
5. Proterra was an industry leader.
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 11:37 AM
Oct 2023

I worked with Bill Williams, their one-time engineer.

I hope that bankruptcy doesn't mean a permanent end to the company, there are a lot of units out there serving their communities.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,976 posts)
6. The company is seeking Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 11:40 AM
Oct 2023
Chapter 11, Title 11, United States Code

Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code (Title 11 of the United States Code) permits reorganization under the bankruptcy laws of the United States. Such reorganization, known as Chapter 11 bankruptcy, is available to every business, whether organized as a corporation, partnership or sole proprietorship, and to individuals, although it is most prominently used by corporate entities. In contrast, Chapter 7 governs the process of a liquidation bankruptcy, though liquidation may also occur under Chapter 11; while Chapter 13 provides a reorganization process for the majority of private individuals.

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Thanks for writing. And good morning.

Think. Again.

(9,376 posts)
9. Oh good...
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 01:47 PM
Oct 2023

...so it's probably just a reorganization thing.

It's not surprising to see young companies in a brand new industry shuffle around a bit before they find the structure that works.

hunter

(38,393 posts)
10. Which parts need replacing?
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 02:34 PM
Oct 2023

It seems to me that's the most important part of this story but I don't see an answer.

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