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Fukushima #2 temperature rising, workers more worried about #2 than #4(feared to fall over soon) (Original Post) bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 OP
Fukishima: another day, another mini-disaster. hedgehog Feb 2012 #1
It just keeps getting worse as more deplorable things come to light. PearliePoo2 Feb 2012 #7
Yep, Russia confiscated some radioactive tires in December. bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 #8
Not only tires...there's lots of radioactive contaminated products Japan is trying to ship. WTF? PearliePoo2 Feb 2012 #9
The temperature has risen 1 degree Celsius. wtmusic Feb 2012 #2
More like 10 degrees per day. bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 #4
Before you mock a post like this you should at least know the facts Bjorn Against Feb 2012 #5
You're absolutely right. wtmusic Feb 2012 #6
And before making an OP like this one... you should at least know the facts. FBaggins Feb 2012 #11
Don't forget the fact that TEPCO lies. bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 #12
Which gives us license to make up whatever we want? FBaggins Feb 2012 #13
Don't follow, which part is made up? bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 #14
Pretty much the entire thing. FBaggins Feb 2012 #15
Can you show anything that #says 4 has been 100% fixed and will not fall over? bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 #18
Is that the standard now? FBaggins Feb 2012 #19
So then you can't show me anything?(nt) bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 #20
Argumentum ad ignorantiam FBaggins Feb 2012 #21
I'll take that as a no. bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 #22
Still haven't looked it up? FBaggins Feb 2012 #23
They built supports under the spent fuel pool Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #24
A relevant portion of that piece FBaggins Feb 2012 #25
I'm sure that junk will withstand another earthquake. bluecoat_fan Feb 2012 #26
It has survived several FBaggins Feb 2012 #27
Yes, it will Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #28
They should drop in 2 aspirins LiberalEsto Feb 2012 #3
Waste solution link BeFree Feb 2012 #10
HYDROVOLCANIC EXPLOOOOOOOOSIONS! AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #16
Bound to happen any second now. FBaggins Feb 2012 #17

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
1. Fukishima: another day, another mini-disaster.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:06 PM
Feb 2012

It's been almost a year of day-to-day seat on the pants attempts to stave off disaster and they still don't know exactly what they're dealing with, let alone have it under control!

Who is paying for all this work?

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
7. It just keeps getting worse as more deplorable things come to light.
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:01 PM
Feb 2012

AFTER the nuclear melt-down catastrophe, a construction company mined aggregate and gravel from a pit in the "no-go" zone to make concrete.
Oooopsie....who could have known??
Now there are scores of new buildings (meant to house displaced Fukushima residents) with foundations that are radioactive. Your apartment's floor and walls contaminated with the gift that keeps on giving!
Nice.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
9. Not only tires...there's lots of radioactive contaminated products Japan is trying to ship. WTF?
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 05:36 PM
Feb 2012

Tea, electronics, rice and even used automobiles are on the list.
Detectors at ports of entry are finding some of it and their cargo ships are being turned away.
I hope the U. S. ports are being diligent.
I'm buying NOTHING from Japan if I can help it. That they are doing this, is criminal.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
5. Before you mock a post like this you should at least know the facts
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:27 PM
Feb 2012

The temparature has risen a lot more than one degree making your post appear extremely ignorant.

FBaggins

(26,795 posts)
11. And before making an OP like this one... you should at least know the facts.
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 12:04 PM
Feb 2012

Workers are more worried about #2 than #4... not because something incredibly dangerous is going on at #2... but because nobody buys the "#4 is about to collapse!!!" nonsense that has been going around the internet fearmongering sites since (wait for it) at least last May. The actual collapse has been "reported" multiple times.

The temperature has been rising in #2 according to only one of the three thermometers in the reactor. The other two continue to show a 44 degree reading. While I suppose that could be an error in the equipment, their speculation seems more reasonable. Recent plumbing changes probably altered the flow inside the reactor. Not exactly a sign of impending doom. If anything, it further demonstrates that the nuts proclaiming a china syndrom with the core still burning its way to the water table... still don't have a clue.

There's also a difference between the SFP in #4 leaking water (not that 9 tons is very much), and a leak in the decontamination equipment servicing #4. The volume of water keeping the spent fuel cool there may not have altered at all.

This leaves the OP with precisely nothing of note worth worrying about. Not that irrational paranoia requires something actually worth worrying about.

FBaggins

(26,795 posts)
15. Pretty much the entire thing.
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 02:40 PM
Feb 2012

True, the temperature is rising... but the post clearly leaves the reader with the impression that:

1) #4 is in imminent danger of collapsing (spilling fuel rods, restarting nuclear fission and making much of Japan uninhabitable)... and

2) because workers are more worried about unit 2, the danger implied by the temperature increase must be even greater than that.

Neither is true (or even close to it).

bluecoat_fan

(262 posts)
18. Can you show anything that #says 4 has been 100% fixed and will not fall over?
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 03:52 PM
Feb 2012

All I've seen are images showing it is still leaning.

FBaggins

(26,795 posts)
19. Is that the standard now?
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 04:08 PM
Feb 2012

A building is in danger of imminent collapse unless someone can show that it isn't?

Why isn't the burden of proof on the nuts who have said since last May that it's going to collapse any day now? How about the guys late last year who announced that an entire side had already collapsed and the SFP spilled onto the ground (and several people had already received fatal doses)??? Or in September that it was on fire after an earthquake?

The portion above the refueling deck is visibly damaged and they've been cutting it away. Have you seen any evidence that the structure beneath the SFP is weakened to any dangerous extent?

bluecoat_fan

(262 posts)
22. I'll take that as a no.
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 04:28 PM
Feb 2012

Your not doing very good at your pro-nuke lobby job. Your are suppose to quote me something like "3 CAT Scans per year are safe".

FBaggins

(26,795 posts)
25. A relevant portion of that piece
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:46 PM
Feb 2012
It chose to install the support even though the structural analysis determined that the spent fuel pool could withstand a large seismic force such as the Great East Japan earthquake without the additional supporting structure.


But nothing stops the speculcation that the real disaster could happen at any moment now.

FBaggins

(26,795 posts)
27. It has survived several
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 09:54 PM
Feb 2012

The joke is that you are immune to correction... no matter how wild the error.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
28. Yes, it will
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:50 PM
Feb 2012

Maybe that looks rickety to you, but it's in concrete footings and the Japanese know a hell of a lot about quake-resistant construction.

The latticing, etc, serves to distribute stresses, which is very important if you get a lot of lateral shear.

Mind you, they originally concluded that the support structure was strong enough to survive another quake on the order of 3/11, but I approve wholeheartedly of the decision to reinforce.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
3. They should drop in 2 aspirins
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 04:16 PM
Feb 2012

and call the doctor in the morning.

What are they getting all het up about?

All the trolls here insist that nuclear is safe, perfect and wonderful.
They'd let their own babies and kittens play at Fukushima.

FBaggins

(26,795 posts)
17. Bound to happen any second now.
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 03:26 PM
Feb 2012

I remember clearly how we were told last march that the corium would burn unstoppably through all containment and into the ground beneath the reactors... until it hit the water table and caused a massive explosion.

I sure that someone predicted it would take a year or more.

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