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hatrack

(59,602 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:03 PM Feb 2014

Oz PM's Economic, Science Advisors At Loggerheads Over Climate Measures (Or Lack Thereof)

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Among those who have used the phrase “groupthink” in relation to the debate about climate science are the head of the prime minister’s business advisory group, Maurice Newman, and the man chosen by the prime minister to head the review of the renewable energy target, businessman Dick Warburton. Two months ago Newman wrote a newspaper article describing climate science as a “scientific delusion”.

Chubb, who as chief scientist is supposed to provide high-level independent advice to the prime minister and other ministers, was speaking at the launch of the final report on Australia’s greenhouse gas reduction efforts by the independent climate change authority, a body the Abbott government is seeking to abolish.

“Climate science is one of the most heavily scrutinised areas of science I have ever experienced,” said Chubb. “The overwhelming bulk of it has stood the test of that scrutiny … I find a lot of the science compelling.”

He added: “As a scientist I would always put in the caveat we are dealing with probabilities … but we are seeing changes and if you don’t believe it you have to impugn the messenger, you’ve got to say it is groupthink or some stupid expression like that.

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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/27/abbotts-advisers-at-odds-climate-change

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Oz PM's Economic, Science Advisors At Loggerheads Over Climate Measures (Or Lack Thereof) (Original Post) hatrack Feb 2014 OP
That's the choice isn't it? A growing economy or a stable climate. GliderGuider Feb 2014 #1
"It's a dessert topping!" "It's a floor wax!" hatrack Feb 2014 #2
That is certainly the right wing claim - about climate or any other regulation kristopher Feb 2014 #3
The lessons of Oz are not encouraging pscot Feb 2014 #4
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
1. That's the choice isn't it? A growing economy or a stable climate.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:09 PM
Feb 2014

Under the present circumstances you can't have both.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
3. That is certainly the right wing claim - about climate or any other regulation
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:17 PM
Feb 2014

A good website for Australian energy

http://reneweconomy.com.au

sample:
Abbott’s climate policy: ‘So unintellectual to as to be unacceptable’
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/abbotts-climate-policy-so-unintellectual-to-as-to-be-unacceptable-21542

pscot

(21,024 posts)
4. The lessons of Oz are not encouraging
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:33 PM
Feb 2014

How badly fucked up do things have to get before people start to pull together to deal with it? The answer seems to be that there is no point at which that happens. Hot tip of the day; buy alpine property, far from the equator.

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