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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:37 PM Feb 2012

The Unclear Nuclear Revival

The Unclear Nuclear Revival
Elliott Negin Union of Concerned Scientists

My office sits about a block from the Nuclear Energy Institute's (NEI) headquarters in downtown Washington, and I could almost hear the corks popping when the government green-lighted the first new nuclear reactors in decades. The two reactors, which the Southern Company will build next to two currently operating reactors at its Alvin W. Vogtle nuclear plant in Georgia, will be the first licensed by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) since 1978. The partial meltdown at Three Mile Island in 1979, along with cost overruns and scores of abandoned projects, scotched plans for new reactors until just last week.

"This is a historic day," said Marvin Fertel, president and CEO of NEI, the industry trade association. The NRC vote "sounds a clarion call to the world that the United States recognizes the importance of expanding nuclear energy as a key component of a low-carbon energy future that is central to job creation, diversity of electricity supply and energy security."

Christine Todd Whitman, the former Environmental Protection Agency administrator, and Patrick Moore, a former Greenpeace activist, chimed in the next day on the Huffington Post. Co-chairs of the NEI-funded Clean and Safe Energy Coalition, Whitman and Moore wrote that the new reactors "signal [a] U.S. nuclear energy resurgence."

To be sure, Fertel and his high-profile spokespeople have something to celebrate. Not only will the two reactors be the first built in decades, they will feature a new advanced design by Westinghouse, which was just approved by the NRC in December. That said, many of their assertions -- about nuclear power's revival, its affordability, its impact on ratepayer bills, its potential to "jumpstart" the economy, and its relative safety -- don't hold up to scrutiny.

Let's take a closer look.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/the-unclear-nuclear-reviv_b_1284561.html
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The Unclear Nuclear Revival (Original Post) kristopher Feb 2012 OP
Sour grapes + wishful thinking. FBaggins Feb 2012 #1
Let's think about that a bit... kristopher Feb 2012 #2
Sure! Let me know when you're ready to start. FBaggins Feb 2012 #3
Olkiluoto was supposed to prove the ability of the industry to perform on time and on budget. kristopher Feb 2012 #4

FBaggins

(26,791 posts)
1. Sour grapes + wishful thinking.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:49 PM
Feb 2012

What an interesting combination.

Let's take a look at some of that wishful thinking:

Now the industry will be lucky if it can get four or five built in the next 10 years.


Hmmm... Two reactors at Vogtle. Two at Virgil Summer in SC. The TVA reactor at Watts Bar and one at Bellefonte. All due to be completed long before 2022. Seems to me that he'll be lucky if it's no more than six.

And those are hardly the only projects on the table.

I guess he was hoping that his "closer look" wouldn't actually get too close.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
2. Let's think about that a bit...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 05:52 PM
Feb 2012
17 October 2008

Olkiluoto 3 start-up 'may be postponed until 2012'


Teollisuuden Voima Oyj (TVO) has announced a further delay in the completion of the third reactor at Olkiluoto, Finland, saying that the unit may not be commissioned until 2012...




Dec 21, 2011
Finland's Olkiluoto 3 reactor delayed to Aug '14


(Reuters) - Finland's Olkiluoto 3 nuclear reactor will not be ready for electricity production until August 2014, utility Teollisuuden Voima (TVO) said on Wednesday, confirming the latest delay for the controversial reactor site.

The 1,600 megawatt Olkiluoto 3 plant, Finland's fifth nuclear reactor, was originally scheduled to start operations in 2009 but has been hit by repeated delays.

TVO warned in October that construction delays may push back operations to 2014, blaming its supplier consortium Areva Siemens .

TVO and Areva Siemens blame each other for the delays and higher-than-planned costs. They have taken their dispute over payments to the International Chamber of Commerce....



In Finland, Nuclear Renaissance Runs Into Trouble
May 28, 2009

By JAMES KANTER

...After four years of construction and thousands of defects and deficiencies, the reactor’s 3 billion euro price tag, about $4.2 billion, has climbed at least 50 percent.


Who the hell knows how much this will eventually cost, but in the meantime, Finland has been spending money to meet needs that the nuclear plant should have been there for...

Should we talk about Flamanville?
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2011/07/22/New-French-nuke-plant-beset-by-more-delays/UPI-90751311338555/

FBaggins

(26,791 posts)
3. Sure! Let me know when you're ready to start.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 07:45 PM
Feb 2012

"I can point to a reactor that's delayed so these will take more than a decade" really doesn't qualify.

And you lose points for not being able to use Finnish/finnish when it was right there begging.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
4. Olkiluoto was supposed to prove the ability of the industry to perform on time and on budget.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:59 PM
Feb 2012

It has done that. The nuclear industry, even in the most favorable circumstances, cannot consistently deliver their product as promised.

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