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Source: Reuters
Insight: Japan's nuclear crisis goes much further than Fukushima
By Risa Maeda
TOKYO | Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:48pm EST
(Reuters) - On a hillside in northern Japan, wind turbines slice through the cold air, mocking efforts at a nearby industrial complex to shore up the future of the demoralized nuclear power industry.
The wind-power farm at Rokkasho has sprung up close to Japan's first nuclear reprocessing plant, a Lego-like complex of windowless buildings and steel towers, which was supposed to have started up 15 years ago but is only now nearing completion.
Dogged by persistent technical problems, it is designed to recycle spent nuclear fuel and partly address a glaring weakness in Japan's bid to restore confidence in the industry, shredded last year when a quake and tsunami wrecked the Fukushima Daiichi power station to the south, triggering radioactive leaks and mass evacuations.
But the Rokkasho project is too little, too late, according to critics who say Japan is running so short of nuclear-waste storage that the entire industry risks shutdown within the next two decades unless a solution is found.
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PamW
(1,825 posts)But the Rokkasho project is too little, too late, according to critics who say Japan is running so short of nuclear-waste storage that the entire industry risks shutdown within the next two decades unless a solution is found.
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What a bunch of CRAP from the anti-nukes. The USA has double the number of nuclear power plants that the Japanese have. The USA has been operating them longer, and the USA has NOT reprocessed the spent nuclear fuel. All this would augger to maximize the amount of spent nuclear fuel on hand. Even with all that; the amount of spent nuclear fuel in the USA is 77,000 metric tonnes. Sounds like a lot; but if you were to gather it into one place; it would fill a volume the size of a typical high school gymnasium.
Contrary to the claims of the anti-nukes; the amount of spent fuel is not "mountains".
One can easily reduce that volume by a factor of 25 if one merely reprocesses. Spent nuclear fuel consists of 96% Uranium-238, a couple percent Plutonium and other actinides, and a couple percent fission products. But the majority component, the 96% that is U-238 is no more radioactive than the day it was dug out of the ground. Natural uranium is 99.3% U-238. So if we separate out the 96% of spent fuel that is U-238; we could just put it back into the ground where it came from originally.
Additionally, the Rokkasho plant is Japan's SECOND reprocessing facility. The Japanese have another reprocessing facility at Tokai that has been successfully operating for over a decade:
http://www.jaea.go.jp/english/04/tokai-cycle/02.htm
PamW
kristopher
(29,798 posts)The recycling efforts in Japan have been an abysmal failure.
"Why does the government stick to the very costly recycle policy? That is because if they give it up, they should explain where a final repository will be located," said BNP's Kono.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)The experimental nuclear reactor Monju is seen in Tsuruga, Fukui Prefecture, on Nov. 17, 2011. (Mainichi)
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A panel of experts reviewing Japan's nuclear fuel cycle policy in the wake of last year's nuclear accident agreed Thursday that while a fuel cycle involving a fast-breeder reactor has some advantages, it cannot be considered as a realistic option for the next 20 to 30 years from a technological viewpoint.
The government has hoped to eventually achieve such a fuel cycle under the existing nuclear policy, decided before the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant occurred last March. But a fast-breeder reactor has yet to be put to practical use.
The subcommittee of the Japan Atomic Energy Commission, meanwhile, said in a draft document that summarized its discussions that two viable options during the next few decades are not reprocessing spent nuclear fuel and the recycling of plutonium-uranium mixed oxide fuel, or MOX fuel.
The former option is called the "once-through" cycle, in which uranium fuel is used at nuclear reactors just one time and disposed of by burying it in the ground. In the latter option, MOX fuel is manufactured from plutonium recovered from spent nuclear fuel and is used in ordinary reactors.
Japan has used MOX fuel at nuclear reactors...
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/archive/news/2012/02/24/20120224p2g00m0dm025000c.html
PamW
(1,825 posts)That may be true for Japan; but NOT the USA.
The Japanese fast reactor program has been less than stellar scientifically.
In the USA, we have the opposite problem; scientifically we have had great success with fast reactors. It's the politics that has been the problem in the USA.
The USA successfully operated Experimental Breeder Reactor II ( EBR-II ) in Idaho for DECADES without incident. That all culminated with EBR-II being converted to a prototype Integral Fast Reactor (IFR).
Courtesy of PBS's Frontline, an interview by Pulitzer-Prize winner Richard Rhodes with nuclear physicist and then Associate Director of Argonne National Lab, Dr. Charles Till:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/interviews/till.html
EBR-II operated flawlessly, as was the successful testing of the IFR concept. EBR-II / IFR weren't shutdown by accidents, or cost overruns, or poor science. No they were shutdown by the narrow minded vision of, I'm sorry to say; a Democratic President in one William Jefferson Clinton.
PamW
If Japan can't do it neither can we.
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If Japan can't do it neither can we.
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BALONEY!!! This is Kris' typical MO of IGNORING the evidence.
The Japanese have been less than successful with their Monju fast reactor.
However, the US program / experience with EBR-II / IFR has been much different - it has been successful.
Did the Japanese have a fire in their Monju reactor. YES. Did the USA ever have a sodium fire in EBR-II / IFR? NO!!
Right there is something the US program did that the Japanese didn't. The US designs have had provisions to prevent sodium fires that were lacking in the Japanese systems.
So right there - we have an example that Kris' statement above is just a self-serving LIE - the Japanese couldn't run a fast reactor without a fire and the US did.
So the US did something the Japanese didn't.
The Japanese really haven't been stellar in the nuclear field as they have been in electronics, cars, and other fields. In fact, they really don't measure up to international standards and now realize that following Fukushima, as their chief regulator admits:
Nuclear Safety Chief says Lax Rules led to Fukushima Crisis
http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LZF0E16JTSEY01...
Japan's atomic safety rules are inferior to global standards and left the country unprepared for the Fukushima nuclear disaster last March, the country's top nuclear regulator told a parliamentary investigation.
Kris - you don't even ATTEMPT to do decent scholarship. You don't look up the history, you don't find out the facts. You don't go to the LIBRARY - you "think" that everything pertinent is online; when it isn't.
I don't know how you face yourself, let alone this forum; when all you have is self-serving propaganda with nothing to back it up.
PamW
kristopher
(29,798 posts)By NEIL GENZLINGER
Published: February 27, 2012
PBS gets an early start on observing the first anniversary of the earthquake and tsunami in Japan with Inside Japans Nuclear Meltdown, a Frontline episode on Tuesday that doesnt feel particularly definitive but certainly recaptures the fear, uncertainty and courage engendered by the disaster.
The program tells the story of what went on at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant through interviews with people who were working there, as well as with Naoto Kan, Japans prime minister at the time, and a not-very-helpful spokesman for the Tokyo Electric Power Company, the plant operator.
It is harrowing stuff, of course, full of cascading problems and difficult decisions. The March 11 earthquake shook the plant We were all on our knees, holding onto the railings, one worker recalls yet the realization that the plant was in trouble took a while to dawn because workers believed that it had been designed to withstand any punishment an earthquake could bring.
The serious trouble began when the tsunami waves struck; the biggest, were told, was more than twice the height of the plants protective sea wall. Backup generators that were supposed to cool the nuclear fuel were flooded, something that had been inconceivable to workers....