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Judi Lynn

(160,654 posts)
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:51 AM Apr 2015

Monsanto Employee Admits an Entire Department Exists to "Discredit" Scientists

Monsanto Employee Admits an Entire Department Exists to "Discredit" Scientists
Thursday, 09 April 2015 00:00
By Christina Sarich, Natural Society | News Analysis

Dare to publish a scientific study against Big Biotech, and Monsanto will defame and discredit you. For the first time, a Monsanto employee admits that there is an entire department within the corporation with the simple task of 'discrediting' and 'debunking' scientists who speak out against GMOs.

The WHO recently classified glyphosate, a chemical in Monsanto's best-selling herbicide Roundup, as carcinogenic – news that is really heating things up with biotech. So Monsanto has been demanding that the World Health Organization (WHO) and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) retract their statements about the poisons's toxicity to human health.

The company demands this even though a peer-reviewed study published in March of 2015 in the respected journal, The Lancet Oncology, conducted a analysis proving that glyphosate was indeed 'probably carcinogenic.'

Monsanto's vice president of global regulatory affairs Philip Miller told Reuters the following in interview:


"We question the quality of the assessment. The WHO has something to explain."

More:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30120-monsanto-employee-admits-an-entire-department-exists-to-discredit-scientists
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Monsanto Employee Admits an Entire Department Exists to "Discredit" Scientists (Original Post) Judi Lynn Apr 2015 OP
Thanks! pnwmom Apr 2015 #1
, blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #2
Are you gonna believe the greedy, profit motivated World Health Organization Enthusiast Apr 2015 #3
count-down to the GMO defenders in 3...2...1... magical thyme Apr 2015 #4
Cross post it in GD and they'll be all over it. n/t hootinholler Apr 2015 #14
I don't doubt Monsanto does this, but... caraher Apr 2015 #5
I refer to my bosses as them or they druidity33 Apr 2015 #6
There seems to be a surfeit of punctuation ... Buenaventura Apr 2015 #7
Surfeit or dearth? The parenthetical is obviously not part of the direct quote. Using brackets to merrily Apr 2015 #9
Actually, the confusing punctuation is in the original article caraher Apr 2015 #17
I very much doubt punctuation confused anyone about any important point in your OP. merrily Apr 2015 #18
OK caraher Apr 2015 #19
He's speaking, not writing; and we don't know what his grammar grade was. merrily Apr 2015 #15
OK, I've figured out the problem caraher Apr 2015 #20
I never had a problem with the OP in the first place. merrily Apr 2015 #21
Also seems to be the mission of some US administrations and some DUers. merrily Apr 2015 #8
+1 darkangel218 Apr 2015 #13
I am shocked, shocked Novara Apr 2015 #10
Presumably, that it was specifically said and by whom is the newsworthy part. merrily Apr 2015 #16
how much of the food we're eating is dangerous because of this evil corporation? samsingh Apr 2015 #11
No kidding! darkangel218 Apr 2015 #12
Better source caraher Apr 2015 #22
This sort of corporate veto of safety/environmental rules may become the global norm under TPP. leveymg Apr 2015 #23
Mahalo Judi Lynn.. from your link.. Cha Apr 2015 #24
presumably it's just to make sure that science is respected as it should be: MisterP Apr 2015 #25
Well, yeah. But I am sure they would not go to the extreme of paying people to post on the internet GoneFishin Apr 2015 #26

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
3. Are you gonna believe the greedy, profit motivated World Health Organization
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 05:40 AM
Apr 2015

over the benevolent, benign Monsanto corporation? Glyphosate can't be carcinogenic. Monsanto would never expose us to a carcinogenic. You people just don't recognize the inherent goodness of corporations.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
4. count-down to the GMO defenders in 3...2...1...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 05:53 AM
Apr 2015

You anti-vaxxer, woo-woo losers are just too stooopid to understand science.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
5. I don't doubt Monsanto does this, but...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 05:53 AM
Apr 2015

the key quote is a bit "off" to me:

Monsanto's employee, Dr. William "Bill" Moar, who gives talks on Monsanto's products to reassure everyone that they are safe, perhaps forgot the event was public when he openly revealed that Monsanto had:

"An entire department" (waving his arm for emphasis) dedicated to 'debunking' science which disagreed with theirs."


This is supposed to be a direct quote? Wouldn't he, as a "Monsanto employee," have said "ours" rather than "theirs?" There's something about providing detail about his hand gestures while either mischaracterizing the speaker's employment relationship or botching the quote itself that reduces my confidence in this story as the inadvertent confession the writer portrays.

druidity33

(6,450 posts)
6. I refer to my bosses as them or they
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:13 AM
Apr 2015

so i can certainly see referring to the Company as theirs. I think you're reading into that too much...



Buenaventura

(364 posts)
7. There seems to be a surfeit of punctuation ...
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:31 AM
Apr 2015

Where does the quotation end, after "department" or after "theirs"?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Surfeit or dearth? The parenthetical is obviously not part of the direct quote. Using brackets to
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:42 AM
Apr 2015

indicate that does not work at DU: the brackets and the bracketing language would simply all just disappear.

My guess is that the direct quote closes after department and opens again after the parenthetical ends, but the "open" quote marks are missing.

Did that prevent you from understanding the intent?



caraher

(6,279 posts)
17. Actually, the confusing punctuation is in the original article
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 11:58 AM
Apr 2015

DU didn't strip anything, the author/editor made a mess of the most critical lines of the whole piece. Which means I won't use a reference to it as evidence. Too easy to pick apart.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
18. I very much doubt punctuation confused anyone about any important point in your OP.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:09 PM
Apr 2015

I probably should just have omitted my comment about brackets because I did not mean to suggest DU had stripped anything. I meant only that brackets are the normal way of showing something is not part of a direct quote, but using the normal way doesn't work at DU.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. He's speaking, not writing; and we don't know what his grammar grade was.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:59 AM
Apr 2015

I'd take those things into consideration before discrediting the story.

"Theirs" could be his way of referring back the members of the department, even if, technically, the correct pronoun in that event would have been "its," since he used "department" not "members."

Not saying the story is gospel, either. Just saying I would not throw it out on the basis of whether he perfectly match his pronoun to a noun while giving a speech.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
20. OK, I've figured out the problem
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:49 PM
Apr 2015

The original source for this story appears to be Stephanie Hamilton at Kos. The piece in the OP for the thread by Christina Sarich plagiar... er, quoted heavily without attribution from Hamilton, and added some errors in the process. In the original it is clear that the person who attended the talk is Hamilton (with the location/date not given beyond "recently&quot and Hamilton wrote

One student asked what Monsanto was doing to counter the “bad science” around their work. Dr. Moar, perhaps forgetting that this was a public event, then revealed that Monsanto indeed had “an entire department” (waving his arm for emphasis) dedicated to “debunking” science which disagreed with theirs. As far as I know this is the first time that a Monsanto functionary has publically admitted that they have such an entity which brings their immense political and financial weight to bear on scientists who dare to publish against them. The Discredit Bureau will not be found on their official website.


I would recommend referring anyone interested in this to Hamilton's piece rather than the truthout story.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
21. I never had a problem with the OP in the first place.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:55 PM
Apr 2015

If you think there was an actual problem, though, you may want to add that info to the OP?

However, notice that there is still the "department" (singular noun) and "theirs" (plural pronoun) issue the other poster raised.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. Also seems to be the mission of some US administrations and some DUers.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:33 AM
Apr 2015

"I love Big Brother." Winston Smith, 1984.

Novara

(5,860 posts)
10. I am shocked, shocked
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:43 AM
Apr 2015

to find that gambling is going on in here!

Seriously, is this a surprise? Monsanto is Evil.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. Presumably, that it was specifically said and by whom is the newsworthy part.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:03 AM
Apr 2015

But, yes, it probably is a surprise to some people. Some people took the word of studies done or commissioned by the tobacco industry, too.

Americans, including me, are a lot more naive than I used to think.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
12. No kidding!
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 08:50 AM
Apr 2015

I wonder how much do they pay the pro GMO shills who troll the boards. Probably a substantial amount as well.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
22. Better source
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 01:23 PM
Apr 2015

The original source for this story appears to be Stephanie Hamilton at Kos. In it appears a clearer version of the "money" quote, that makes it clearer both who heard this statement as well as how little of it was a direct quotation.

One student asked what Monsanto was doing to counter the “bad science” around their work. Dr. Moar, perhaps forgetting that this was a public event, then revealed that Monsanto indeed had “an entire department” (waving his arm for emphasis) dedicated to “debunking” science which disagreed with theirs. As far as I know this is the first time that a Monsanto functionary has publically admitted that they have such an entity which brings their immense political and financial weight to bear on scientists who dare to publish against them. The Discredit Bureau will not be found on their official website.


I would recommend referring anyone interested in this to Hamilton's piece.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
23. This sort of corporate veto of safety/environmental rules may become the global norm under TPP.
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 03:53 PM
Apr 2015

"The WHO has something to explain."

Cha

(297,818 posts)
24. Mahalo Judi Lynn.. from your link..
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 07:22 PM
Apr 2015

"Likely, this is the first time a Monsanto employee has publicly admitted that they have immense political and financial weight to bear on scientists who dare to publish against them. Of course they don't list this discrediting department anywhere on their website.

The company will stop at nothing to discredit and devalue the contributions of unimpeachably respected Lancet and the international scientific bodies of WHO and IARC, among others.

The stakes are high – after all, an entire industry of GMO seed (for which they currently hold more than a three-fourths monopoly share) is based on being Roundup ready. Glyphosate is their hallmark product, and it accounts for billions in sales when you account for the seed they sell to go with their best-selling herbicide.



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But, yeah.. "Yay Big Corp Poisons for Profit Big Ag "

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
25. presumably it's just to make sure that science is respected as it should be:
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 01:43 PM
Apr 2015

it's just that some scientists come out with the wrong answers!

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
26. Well, yeah. But I am sure they would not go to the extreme of paying people to post on the internet
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 02:05 PM
Apr 2015

and repeat talking points over, and over, and over, and over. Oh yeah, and over and over.

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