want to, and our government is complicit in that. Another reason to figure why vote, the government seems not really there for anything but business.

Government serves at the pleasure of Moneyed Interest$.

Can forego their small government mantra when it comes to corporate greed?

Oy!

Seems like we are headed that direction.

And it seems the TPP will help get us there even faster.

Otherwise people would be stealing whatever is in the pipes, and the pipes themselves.

The U.S.A. is an odd place. We let the oligarchs walk all over us.

Block a highway, or even a sidewalk, in legitimate protest against killer cops or unjust wars or starvation wages, and just watch people scream, even here on DU, about how their right to be a good little citizen wage slaves is being violated, all those terrible protesters inconveniencing them.

Yes your right

but we are no longer 1st world

He is in the pocket of Koch & others.

How the Koch brothers stole Ohio
http://www.salon.com/2014/06/18/how_the_koch_brothers_stole_ohio/

Ohio Gov. John Kasich Signs Nation’s First Renewable Energy Freeze(2012)
http://ecowatch.com/2014/06/13/ohio-gov-john-kasich-renewable-energy-freeze/

John Kasich’s Latest Gift To The Utilities
http://www.plunderbund.com/2014/03/20/john-kasichs-latest-gift-to-the-utilities/

Here is a link to the rest of the story,

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/04/25/gas-pipelines-surprise-land-owners.html

What does not make sense to me is the landowner not looking over the deed when they bought the property. Everything from telephone lines through oil pipelines require an easement and they are listed on her title report.

Looks like a case of buyer beware to me.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize one should expect such haphazard transporting of gas.

Is this going on all over the country?

It should be as big of deal, or bigger, than Keystone XL.

I had to deal with that once with a pwr company

That's why it's important to read your deed and title report. They contain the easment and spell out exactly what the easment holder can or cannot do.

Another issue is mineral rights. Just because you own the land does not mean you own the rights. The wrong time to figure it out is when the drill rig shows up on your property.

Don't assume, read your deed.

thru the watershed in such a deplorable manner. Do you really think stringing hoses together across trees, through fresh water sources, and haphazardly thru the forest carpet and brush, is safe? And when the pipe busts or starts leaking, and is discovered a year or two later on, what will be the excuse? Since they always declare that they operate with the utmost respect to safety and environmental concerns?

I swear some people who pop up here seem to be a bit lost... When humans cause our planet to go extinct, I guess we won't have to worry about what some rule or non-rule said at some time.

I'd have sympathy for her but it was there before she was. I feel the same way when someone buys a house near an air base and complains about the jet noise. Did you not think jets would be flying?

A cold winter with freezing temperatures, sun/ heat exposure, weather storms, and animal/ people coming into contact, would certainly spring a leak. Shoot, a woodpecker could peck a hole thru the hoses in the trees. Are they really this blatant. I would probably try to find a way to shut off the source and remove all the garden hoses. This is absolute crazy beans!!!

And I'd probably do the same; crimp the hose, cut it and cap it. And deny ever being there!

The person trying it ended up in federal court and was assessed $25,000 in fines.

In full disclosure, I work for a company with oil and gas clients.

All they have to do is make SOME effort to make this look a little more professional and probably a lot safer. Like the post above said, it doesnt take much to damage a hose that size. I realize its NOT the same as a garden hose, but its pretty ridiculous to have them strung thru trees and across the ground.And what is being carried?
Unless this is some temporary setup of some sort, which is possible

At least west of the Mississippi. Farmers and ranchers can have oil and gas companies come in at any time and drill. Union Pacific Railroad owns the mineral rights to our property.

A landowner in the past needing some quick cash and selling the rights. All future owners get stuck with the results.

Read your deed before buying!

lack of environmental safety concerns... AND with Republicans in charge, they don't give 2 shits if the planet melts away.. Apparently, neither do you.. Then again, low posting count makes me think.. Hmm really, the industry is pretty darn quick to get someone in place to try and change the conversation from common sense and ridiculous placement of hazardous material to a discussion regarding property rights. AND then to claim the property owner is greedy and sell out their property rights, for real. Next to the oil and gas industry, you would call a small time land owner greedy... What a joke.

As I have disclosed in the past, I am an engineer and some of our clients are in the oil and gas business.

As such I have seen the results of landowners not reading their deeds and getting upset when the drill rig shows up on their doorstep. It's not pretty, it's just sad and totally avoidable with a bit of due diligence by reading the deed or title report before buying.

Regarding greedy property owners selling their property rights. It's not greedy, it's their right to sell them whenever they want. However it is it is up to future owners of the land to realize what they are buying.

Regarding my lack of environmental concerns. Again in the real world, the Ohio Department of Natural Resources has state control over this equipment. If you read the article, you will see they responded to the concerns. If people don't like the regulations as written, then petition elected officials to get them changed. I have seen it done.

Regarding my low post count. I began reading DU off and on since 2009 when I came across it. Finally registered and only post (most of the time) when I can contribute something constructive.

gas lines were around, it was more about the haphazard placement of these particular lines... AND perhaps the oil and gas industry should do things in such a stupid manner more often... Don't bury anything, drape these pipes all over neighborhoods and in the path of everyday foot traffic. Perhaps we would embrace solar much faster knowing just how "safe" this industry is.

The company will do what is needed to comply with the rules as written and not much more.

In the article, ODNR said the installation complied with the rules. Now I agree that rules that allow such a haphazard installation are goofy. But those rules can be changed with public pressure. Have seen it done in WA state, it could be done in OH also.

But yes, they could do a better job running whatever it is they're doing on that site.

I prefer roses!!!

gas well right next to the house. Noone came in and took or did anything to her land. She bought land AFTER and for some reason did not look at it for 10 or 11 years! Do you think digging up that forest and stream would be better for the environment?

Union Pacific first owned this property 100 years ago. We are the second owners of this property...it was developed 40 years ago into small ranchettes. So yes, we DID read the lease, that's how we know UP owns the mineral rights. The farmers and ranchers I know don't mind the oil and gas companies drilling on their land because the oil and gas companies pay good money to lease the surface area. The thing I don't know, but will look up, is if a landowner has successfully purchased the mineral rights. I suppose if the mineral rights are in an area that has been proven barren, one might be able to purchase them from an owner.

But I suggest you hire a person with experience since it will require a bit of paperwork and a county filing

If you indeed have barren land, the current rights owner possibly will only sell if the price covers their cost to do the negotiation and paperwork.

These were the terms I have seen in other similar deals.

Good luck,
Kilgore

I am not too worried about Union Pacific deciding to drill here. If there'd been oil and a way to get it out of the Rocky Mountains, I'm sure they would have done it by now. Our water well is 365 feet deep so I don't know how deep an oil will would have to be...not to mention having to level the damned thing. Now then, those poor people on the plains...

Read the article. The state Natural Resources Department sent an inspector to check things out and, "That inspector found that the lines running along the ground comply with the law."

If you don't like the law, don't bad mouth the companies who are in compliance with it, go after the legislators who passed the law. Why have laws if you are not going to use it as the standard? Why is it always the company which is evil, even when what it is doing is entirely legal? Why are legislators balmeless, even when we are disgusted with actions which they have made legal and are condemning people for performing those legal actions?

This happend in WA state in the 90's. They now have sone of the most stringent oil/gas pipeline laws in the country.

Or a tree falls or rocks fall from a hillside? Or as the woman asks this is a rural hunting area, and what happens if a pipe is hit.

Is the operator responsible for damage to un-buried lines like this?
What if the lines leak and cause a fire or explosion? Is the gas company liable?

Hard to believe this is allowed. I work with electrical installations and this would be shut down as non compliant if it were just an extension cord. Of course many areas here is this part of Ohio do not have any kind of zoning or building inspections as they do in the cities and more populated areas.

The petroleum companies are just dinghies, haplessly tossed about amid the great waves of independent legislative action!

doesn't mean legislators have to pass it. Nor does a suggestion from a company relieve the legislators from passing bad laws. They are elected by the people, to represent the people.

The oil and gas companies write the laws and regulations for their own convenience and profit. If the worst happens, they claim they followed the laws and regulations.

Get the laws changed. I personally helped this happen in WA which now has some of the most stringent rules in the nation covering this sort of thing. This was solely due to public pressure and involvement.

Your ire needs to be directed at the lawmakers. If they are on the take, throw them out!! Griping here and calling folks shills doesn't accomplish a thing.

But it's very hard to vote out Republicans in a Republican stronghold. All the Democrats running on a permanent ban lost. At least our neighbors are evenly split on the issue so there's still hope in sight.

And many towns find the local law enforcements have also been hired...