Environment & Energy
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(16,423 posts)Corruption is rampant there among local politicians, leading to lots of illegal pollution by factories. Some parts of rural China are so polluted, the ground there is no longer safe for growing food. Chinese rice-farmers prefer to eat rice imported from Japan.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)The per capita emissions level of the USA. So basically Chinese people should not have cars, air conditioners, refrigerators etc. because there are just too many of them to allow them to have the same lifestyle we enjoy?
Somehow these graphs don't convince me that China has an emissions problem.
OKIsItJustMe
(19,938 posts)
to resemble Americans, that their per capital carbon emissions will not.
Never-the-less, at a time when we need to be cutting emissions globally, the Chinese are dramatically increasing their emissions.
http://time.com/3918728/china-green-coal-carbon-emissions-pollution/
Joanna Plucinska @joannaplucinska 2:05 AM ET
[font size=4]Beijing is making big pledges but faces serious implementation challenges[/font]
[font size=3]Its cities are cloaked in smog, the water is polluted and the economy is hugely reliant on coal, the dirtiest form of energy. But now, China is trying to change its reputation as the worlds worst polluter.
A recent study conducted by the London School of Economics says that, if all goes as planned, China may start reducing its C02 emissions by 2025 five years sooner than the year pledged by President Xi Jinping.
Climate-change reformers say that in order to reduce such emissions, coal is the first thing that has to go. Many Western countries are struggling to meet this goal. Five G-7 nations have actually increased their coal use in the past five years, while countries like Australia hope to continue building their economy off of the fossil fuel.
Its not going to be easy for China either. In the past year, the country has reduced coal use by 2.9%. But, according to a report by the Guardian, it still produced 3.87 billion tons of coal during the same period. A recent Greenpeace report states that China builds the equivalent of a coal plant a week.
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Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)OKIsItJustMe
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The Laboratory also released a companion chart illustrating the nation's energy-related carbon dioxide emissions. Americans' carbon dioxide emissions increased, but only barely, to 5,410 million metric tons, from 5,390 million metric tons in 2013. However, carbon emissions from coal and petroleum declined, while emissions from natural gas made up the difference. Overall, the carbon intensity of the American energy economy is decreasing.
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GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Only absolute emission quantities count. How many people it takes to produce them is irrelevant.
Per capita emissions only count when energy consumption is being used as a proxy for human wealth. Mother Nature doesn't give a flying fuck about economics.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)while we are doing basically fuck all about climate change?
OKIsItJustMe
(19,938 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)And I notice the drop roughly corresponds to the increase in the price of Gasoline from 2001 onward. This again shows that to reduce Carbon we have to increase the price of energy preferably by taxes, but other causes would work as well.
OKIsItJustMe
(19,938 posts)I get the impression that emissions related to transportation started decreasing in 2008.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Which sounds about right, Coal and Natural Gas increased since 2000 and those more then compensated for the drop in oil usage till about 2007.
Coal Consumption INCREASED till 2007, then it started to decline:
http://www.eia.gov/coal/review/html/fig4.cfm
Natural Gas Consumption has increased since 1985 and is STILL INCREASING.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9140us2a.htm
Thus your chart, which includes NOT only Oil but Coal, wood and Natural Gas, shows a drop since 2007 driven by the drop in the use of oil since 2000 AND the drop in coal starting in 2007. Both of those drops were offset by the increase in the use of Natural Gas.
OKIsItJustMe
(19,938 posts)I know some is
but is it a significant amount?
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/sources/transportation.html
[font size=4]Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Transportation[/font]
[font size=1]Note: Emissions involved in the consumption of electricity for transportation activities are included above, but not shown separately (as was done for other sectors). These indirect emissions are negligible, accounting for less than 1% of the total emissions shown in the graph.
Note: All emission estimates from the Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990-2013.[/font]