Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumEx-ambassador Michael Oren: Obama abandoned Israel
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/michael-oren-israel-ambassador-on-obama-wsj-op-ed-119046.htmlFor the first principle, Oren cited a 2009 speech by Obama to American Jewish leaders in which the president said, When there is no daylight, Israel just sits on the sidelines and that erodes our credibility with the Arabs.
Oren responded in the op-ed, saying that statement ignored Israels withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 and previous offers of statehood, encompassing nearly the entire West Bank and half of Jerusalem, that the Palestinians rejected.
On the no surprises front, Israel was caught off-guard by not receiving an advance copy of Obamas May 2009 speech in Cairo in which the president declared that there should be a freeze on settlements and asked that Israel accept a two-state solution.
Israeli leaders typically received advance copies of major American policy statements on the Middle East and could submit their comments. But Mr. Obama delivered his Cairo speech, with its unprecedented support for the Palestinians and its recognition of Irans right to nuclear power, without consulting Israel, Oren wrote.
Oren is a member of the supposedly 'moderate' party in Netanyahu's Axis of Evil government, Kulanu.
To quote Bill Clinton, who is the fucking superpower here? The sense of entitlement and arrogance is breathtaking. The Israelis actually expect the US government to be their damn puppet, as if we work for them.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)stating that we had to let them sign off on all of our decisions, and that we weren't allowed to disagree with them in public.
Maybe it's a condition of all the money, weapons, and diplomatic support they give us.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)The White House denied an Israeli newspaper report on Tuesday that U.S. President Barack Obama had invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to meet in Washington next month.
Citing unnamed U.S. State Department sources, Yedioth Ahronoth daily said the two leaders could meet in the White House on July 15 or 16, after the June 30 deadline for an Iranian nuclear deal over which they have frequently clashed.
Since Netanyahu's election to a fourth term on March 17, U.S. and Israeli officials have said they expected he would meet Obama again. But no date has been set, and a White House official denied Netanyahu had received any U.S. invitation.
"No invitation has been extended, though certainly wed expect that there will be occasion for the two leaders to meet in Washington at some point going forward," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said in response to Yedioth's report.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-iran-nuclear-israel-usa-idUSKBN0OW0C520150616
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the Israeli PM would be in DC."
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)"President Barack Obama deliberately damaged the relationship between the United States and Israel, according to Israels former ambassador to the U.S."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/michael-oren-israel-ambassador-on-obama-wsj-op-ed-119046.html#ixzz3dFJYuZiW
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)not letting Israel run our foreign policy in the region--disagreeing with Israel in public and not getting their permission to make policy statements.
Considering that the Israeli government under Netanyahu has been an extension of the Republican party in the United States, this is especially galling.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Wonder if the nest POTUS will be more pliant? I think Israel is depending on it
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Once they get in office, we'll see.
Clinton won't let anyone tell her what to do, and Jeb doesn't give a f@ck about Israel.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Still trying, ever so subtly, to intimidate and threaten. Still ready to pretend he knows other peoples motives for rhetorical purposes. What a diplomat.
But this is Oren, he has always been a bloviator
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)really I think they're just biding time until January of 2017
bemildred
(90,061 posts)a Summer PR offensive to patch things up and surviving to the end of Obama's term as the primary strategic objective,
and I think we are seeing the beginnings of that in things like Dersh saying Obama is a good guy after all.
Times of Israel, I think it was. I'll see if I can find it.
Apparently nobody has clued Oren in yet.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech at the Herzliya diplomatic gathering on July 9 was a first, cautious trial balloon of sorts for what political sources in Israel call his "autumn restart." By this they mean a new diplomatic initiative that Netanyahu will launch as soon as the Iranian issue is no longer on the agenda by the end of June, assuming that a nuclear agreement is reached.
Ultimately, the goal of this initiative is the renewal of diplomatic negotiations with the Palestinians. This would be achieved by adding Isaac Herzog's Zionist Camp to Netanyahu's coalition, rebooting relations with the United States, reducing the growing tensions between Israel and the international community particularly with Europe and hindering the campaign of delegitimization and boycotts being waged against Israel. All that remains to be seen is whether Netanyahu will eventually accept and implement the plan, or whether the chaotic, unforeseeable events of the Middle East will impede it.
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It should not be forgotten that Netanyahu spent six years milking his 2009 Bar Ilan speech for all it was worth, even though nothing actually came of it. A second speech focusing on the Arab Peace Initiative will buy him even more time, and he doesnt need much. In fact, all he needs is about 18 months. Thats because Netanyahus real task at this stage is to survive Barack Obamas presidency. But that will not be easy, and anything that can help him will be put to use. It doesnt matter if its Herzog, the Arab League or a partial freeze on settlement activity. All that matters is outlasting the Democratic president in Washington so despised in Jerusalem.
There were indications of this intent in the speech by Netanyahus Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon at the same Herzliya gathering. Yaalon, Netanyahus defense mentor, says publicly what Netanyahu says behind closed doors. Yaalon has long played the role of the bad boy, and once again, he did not disappoint. The most stable thing in the Middle East is instability, he said. Then he continued, I see no chance of a stable peace being reached between Israel and the Palestinians in my lifetime, and I plan to live a little longer.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/netanyahu-diplomatic-initiative-autumn-arab-peace-proposal.html
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)way. We'll see what happens with Obama domestically first, then as they say, Iran.
Kerry had the ducks lined up before the poof, and those ducks are pissed off at Bibi
and sick of him....the EU.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I've wondered if Bibi is going to try to present himself as the 'moderate', considering his actions in relation to the banning of Palestinians from buses in the West Bank, but that's a risky thing to do considering his coalition government
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Deputy IDF Chief of Staff Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan said Tuesday that Israel's security situation on the northern border has improved as a result of the Syrian civil war, which has served to drain the blood of Hezbollah.
On the surface, these appear to be trivial remarks, which have been repeated by military experts and analysts over the past several years. But to hear them from such a senior military authority is refreshingly new.
As far as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minsiter Moshe Ya'alon are concerned, these comments verge on heresy. If our security situation has improved, does the IDF really need additions to its budget? And what about the approach taken by Netanyahu, who continues to warn, on every possible occasion, of the threat of Iran, Hezbollah, and Islamic State?
Indeed, Israel's strategic situation has never been better. Arab states that were once armed to the teeth, such as Libya and Iraq, have fallen apart. Egypt is a military and intelligence ally of Israel in its fight against Hamas the Sinai terror threat.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134105018
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)things about Obama. AIPAC keeps this dysfunction alive and well.