and MEMRI."

As far as I'm concerned, those things were never said until I hear it from a reputable source. MEMRI and PMW have an agenda that they are furthering by mistranslating arab broadcasts. These groups are trolls, and they should be removed from the main discourse.

I ask because my husband does and he says that these children shows not only exist but are quite common.

The issue here isn't all the other shows, but this one. If there's a good reason to believe that this particular show was mistranslated, it's no good as a subject for discussing anti-Semitic bias in Palestinian media.

If there are shows with anti-Semitic content, it should be easy to provide a correct translation which then could be used to highlight the subject for discussion.

....I'm guessing Mizrahi .....am I right ?

They definitely have an agenda - which is to translate items in Arabic that are not normally disseminated in English. Certainly one can argue that the items they choose to translate are the most extreme ones while ignoring more mainstream reports in order to present the Muslim world in a negative light, but the broadcasts they translate are not fabricated. They are real.

It would be great if agenda-free groups translated programs like this into English, but it does not seem that any such group is interested in doing so. Unfortunately that leaves only groups that you don't like as being the only source of such material. MEMRI is selective in what it chooses to translate, but to claim "those things were never said" is a little ridiculous.

Though their translations have sometimes had some errors, they are pretty accurate, and the Arabic is still audible on the videos so that if anyone wishes to correct any portion of the translations they are free to do so.

It's a dilemma when the available sources are not trustworthy. Should a conclusion be drawn or not? Any conclusion from such material must be weak by definition, and it will always be easy to refute it with speculation alone.

Here's some criticism of MEMRI from the MEMRI wikipedia article:

Source: Wikipedia
(snip 2nd paragraph under "Reception&quot
MEMRI's work has been criticized on three grounds: that their work is biased; that they choose articles to translate selectively so as to give an unrepresentative view of the media they are reporting on; and that some of their translations are inaccurate. MEMRI has responded to the criticism, stating that their work is not biased; that they in fact choose representative articles from the Arab media that accurately reflect the opinions expressed, and that their translations are highly accurate.
(end snip)

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute

The article goes to some length to explain some of the mistranslations, and MEMRI's insistence on that the translations are correct in spite of evidence to the contrary is quite revealing.

Especially when the footnote links to a 404 error.

The entire content of that paragraph you cited is sourced to: "Email debate: Yigal Carmon and Brian Whitaker at Guardian Unlimited, January 28, 2003" for which the link is broken.

The rest of the Wikipedia article also includes links to sources with their own biases, which is why I am not especially a fan of Wikipedia as being any kind of definitive resource on matters such as these.

With MEMRI you can view the video and if you are not comfortable with the accuracy of the translation, you can find someone you trust who speaks the language and they can translate it for you.

In all cases, the video and audio are sourced and presented in their original language with translations included as subtitles. Since there are many folks out there who are critical of MEMRI, when their translations are inaccurate or dubious, they (and we) hear about it pretty quickly.

Alleged translation inaccuracy
See also: Tomorrow's Pioneers § Translation controversy

The accuracy of MEMRI's translations are considered "usually accurate" though occasionally disputed and highly selective in what it chooses to translate and in which context it puts things,[60] as in the case of MEMRI's translation of a 2004 Osama bin Laden video, which MEMRI defended.[6][52][61][62][63]

Following the 7 July 2005 London bombings, Al Jazeera invited Hani al-Sebai, an Islamist living in Britain, to take part in a discussion on the event. Al-Sibai is listed as a Specially Designated National by the US Treasury Department because of alleged support for al-Qaida.[64] For one segment of the discussion in regard to the victims, MEMRI provided the following translation of al-Sebai's words:

the term civilians does not exist in Islamic religious law. Dr Karmi is sitting here, and I am sitting here, and I’m familiar with religious law. There is no such term as civilians in the modern Western sense. People are either at war or not.[65]

Al-Sebai subsequently claimed that MEMRI had mistranslated his interview, and that among other errors, he had actually said:

there is no term in Islamic jurisprudence called civilians. Dr Karmi is here sitting with us, and he's very familiar with the jurisprudence. There are fighters and non-fighters. Islam is against the killing of innocents. The innocent man cannot be killed according to Islam.

By leaving out the condemnation of the "killing of innocents" entirely, Mohammed El Oifi writing in Le Monde diplomatique argued that this translation left the implication that civilians (the innocent) are considered a legitimate target.[51] Several British newspapers subsequently used MEMRI's translation to run headlines such as "Islamic radical has praised the suicide bomb attacks on the capital"[66] prompting al-Sebai to demand an apology and take legal action. In his view, MEMRI's translation was also "an incitement to have me arrested by the British authorities".[67]

Halim Barakat described MEMRI as "a propaganda organization dedicated to representing Arabs and Muslims as anti-semites". Barakat claims an essay he wrote for the Al-Hayat Daily of London titled The Wild Beast that Zionism Created: Self-Destruction, was mistranslated by MEMRI and retitled as Jews Have Lost Their Humanity. Barakat further stated "Every time I wrote Zionism, MEMRI replaced the word by Jew or Judaism. They want to give the impression that I'm not criticizing Israeli policy, but that what I'm saying is anti-Semitic."[47][50][51] According to Barakat, he was subject to widespread condemnation from faculty and his office was "flooded with hatemail".[68][69] Fellow Georgetown faculty member Aviel Roshwald accused Barakat in an article he published of promoting a "demonization of Israel and of Jews".[70] Supported by Georgetown colleagues, Barakat denied the claim,[71] which Roshwald had based on MEMRI's translation of Barakat's essay.[70]

In 2007, CNN correspondent Atika Shubert and Arabic translators accused MEMRI of mistranslating portions of a Palestinian children's television programme.

Media watchdog MEMRI translates one caller as saying – quote – 'We will annihilate the Jews'," said Shubert. "But, according to several Arabic speakers used by CNN, the caller actually says 'The Jews are killing us.'[72][73]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute

The translation is 100% accurate.

But MEMRI was accurate.

What does it matter whether or not this was on TV?

Palestinians hand information on possible Israeli crimes to international court prosecutor

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/06/25/palestinian-minister-to-hand-war-crimes-files-to-icc

What is your understanding of the concept of 'free speech' ?


Because your post does not have anything to do with it so I am wondering, please tell us what your concept of the term is.

the rest is quite plain why wait almost a month to bring this to public attention?

Then see what happens.

If you can't find a video, that you can post, asserting your claim then you should rescind your claim.

It's not just Hillary Clinton who supports it:

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=90

This is just from 2015....

Does not mean they should not be exposed,condemned and ostracized.

If the problem of anti-Semitism in PA media is a recurring problem, there will be a next time.

If you post on the same object, but with a reliable source, it's entirely possible I will be convinced.

And the reason why is...

If these people can't make faithful translations, they're useless, and all their work is useless. What can anyone do with a translation that is grossly misleading?

Like the false charges of Iran leaders being mistranslated each time they call for Israel's destruction. That turned out to be a load of bullshit.

Same here.

The problem is denying that any of this incitement exists. THAT's exactly what critics of MEMRI and PMW do. They deny wholesale that this disgusting racist incitement against Jews exists - as if they're being paid to deny it. No evidence would ever suffice for them.

That's the problem, because that's being an apologist and enabler of the most horrific genocidal antisemitism that exists.

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But I'll play along. Supply an example of a translation by MEMRI or PMW that's grossly misleading.

Wikipedia page, and I've heard about the mistranslations before. MEMRI has never bothered to refute the actual accusations from what I remember.

This together with their predisposition to try to frame the more extreme voices in Arab media as being mainstream, suggests strongly that MEMRI is just another bullshit factory.

Of course, there's nothing to see here.

I'm kind of surprised nobody on here has pointed out how inherently racist that statement is grossproffit........have it your way .....works both ways tho :

If children's videos in Islamic nations were like this in talking about Jews and/or Israel, there would have been peace ions ago.

Notice how none of these words were uses: rats, vermin, filth, scum, the Devil, etc. Unless, of course, you feel the word "demographic" is a code for all the above.

my post # 27 ??

If you are so proud of his Arabic then why hesitate ?
Are you also Mizrahi ?

Its satire grossproffit.......Israeli satire ....my apologies if its way over your head .

should probably have said that in your post - i think people less familiar w/Israeli (no pun intended) humor than you are would not necessarily realize that the video was satire. this also opens up the possibility that the Palestinian videos mentioned in this thread were also satire.

I'm Christian too, if that matters. I'm very proud his heritage. He's a wonderful man and I'm very blessed that he chose me to be his wife. He's also out of the country on a job and I'm not going to text him asking to translate a video. I'll ask him to confirm or deny this translation once he returns home.

I'm an Israeli atheist ......I dont have a horse in the race .

So an Arab Christian ......I know more than a few .....get on great with them ...I also get on great with our Muslim , Druze and Bedouin citizens ....not forgetting our non Jewish non Arab citizens ...which we have more than a few .

Being non religious can be such a blessing to

You do realise that many Palestinians are Christians ......Hanan Ashrawi for example :
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/ashrawi.html

So who exactly were you referring to with this ...." They are brainwashed from the womb."
????......all Palestinians ?? .....every single one of them ????????

I never asked you to translate a video.......dont confuse me with shira please , we have nothing in common.