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Related: About this forumThe 'new Zionism' is turning Negev Bedouin into a myth
As the Bedouin village of Umm al-Hiran prepares to be replaced by a Jewish town with a near-identical name, its residents are offering solutions based on real co-existence.
In July 2007 I witnessed one of the saddest events of my life. Hundreds of security force personnel descended upon the Bedouin village of Umm al-Hiran in order to evict the residents and demolish their homes. The police removed cradles together with the infants while bulldozers razed the homes and uprooted olive trees from the yards. Dozens of Jewish youth hired by the demolition contractor loaded residents’ personal belongings into containers that were then transported from the area. When everything was packed up, the youth danced in front of the stunned residents while chanting, “this is the new Zionism.”
Eight years and many court hearings have passed, but the threat of demolition and eviction lingers over the residents’ heads. Currently, this threat is more tangible than ever after the High Court recently rejected the appeal of the community’s 700 residents. This decision enables the government to proceed with its plans to forcibly relocate the residents of Umm al-Hiran residents to the neighboring village of Hura, while building the Jewish town of Hiran atop the ruins of the old village. This decision was unaffected by the mayor of the Hura local council, who said that his village does not have room for the evicted residents. The residents’ claims that in 1956, the military governor of the area ordered the tribe to move to its current location, after it had already forcibly removed them from the area of Wadi Zubaleh, near Kibbutz Shuval.
Just a few kilometers from the village, where the Yatir Forest road begins, 25 Jewish families from the Hiran Group are living in a temporary camp, awaiting “final authorization” to settle on the land Umm al-Hiran. According to the group’s website, “the intention is to build a settlement designated for the national-religious community in the northern Negev Desert as part of establishing a continuity of Jewish settlements in the area.” These descriptions are in complete contradiction to the state’s claim to the High Court that the new settlement will be a “general” (non-denominational) one without unique characteristics, and will not be closed to any potential resident based on religious affiliation. Thus, once again, the story of Umm al-Hiran epitomizes the national-ethnic struggle over land and settlement in Israel.
Israel is an apartheid state. That is clear, and no amount of hasbara can hide that fact when atrocities like this take place. You can't call Israel a democracy when it treats a portion of its population as if they are the enemy.
Some will try and pretend that these racist policies do not exist or gloss over them with the latest BS talking points, and whenever I see that in writing I gave to question not only their values, but I
also their humanity.
That's why BDS is so important.
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6chars
(3,967 posts)just curious
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I would like to know where State us on this since Usrael gets $3+ BN from the USA in military aid. How much of this aid impacts the Palestinians, Bedouin and disenfranchised by Israel?
6chars
(3,967 posts)so it's just hard to not think about him when reading the OP, hence the question to you. I certainly heard about him not being an Israeli.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I'm sure that politicians will weigh in sooner or later once theICC rules...if they rule soon.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)From your OP:
"Perhaps it could also serve as a new model for cooperation between Arabs and Jews that will transform the crisis into a new opportunity, while sparking optimism for the future of the Negev."
That sounds really positive. Hopefully that is exactly what will happen.
Coexistence, communication, and working together to find solutions are the keys to building a better future.
That's why opposing BDS is so important.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)The cause of BDS is there since Israel is an apartheid state. Some may hope that Israel comes back to its senses and becomes the democracy it says it is; removing illegal colonies and racist policies.
Hope is good, but truth is truth. And the truth is that Israel has created BDS by its tireless goals of displacing, delegitimizing, destroying and extirpating the Palestinians from their lands.
Because of this BDS has been born out of the need to challenge Israel, to stop Israel and to hold Israel accountable.
shira
(30,109 posts)And yet this article is calling for just the opposite.
#FAIL.
I get why the fascist hate-bags from Hamas would want no peace & cooperation b/w Jews and Arabs, but what's the BDS excuse?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Defined, in the article, as: a Negev-based NGO that promotes equality, empowerment and cooperation.
Here's a bit more about the group:
AJEEC – NISPED
Who We Are
Founded in 1998, AJEEC-NISPED is an Arab-Jewish organization based in Israel’s Negev, dedicated to strengthening active citizenship through education and economic empowerment.
Since the organization’s inception, our local, regional and international projects have been changing the lives of thousands of participants by promoting equitable democratic societies for communities in transition.
Our Mission
AJEEC-NISPED works towards creating equal, inclusive and flourishing societies. Our programming includes an array of strategies including economic development through formation of cooperatives and social enterprises, volunteerism, quality early childhood education, health promotion, and Jewish-Arab partnership.
http://en.ajeec-nisped.org.il/who-we-are-2/
And this is from a recent Q&A with the author of the OP you posted:
Most Ameinu members know AJEEC-NISPED from the amazing work you do in the Negev Bedouin community. Can you provide a little background on your activity regarding the Arab world and the Palestinians?
Since the organization was established we have been involved in Israeli-Palestinian projects in a variety of areas, including agricultural development, women empowerment, and development of business cooperation between Israeli and Palestinian women. These programs were reduced due to the deterioration in relations between the parties and the freeze in political negotiations. Over the last few years we have been involved with a fascinating effort to build a network of civil society activists throughout the Middle East in order to promote the principles of the Arab Peace Initiative as the basis for a regional solution. We are leading this network together with a Palestinian organization, The Center for Democracy and Community Development. The network currently includes organizations and individuals from many countries in the region, including Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Israel and Palestine.
http://www.ameinu.net/blog/israel/four-questions-with-ariel-dloomy-on-civil-society-for-peace/#sthash.tQSL1WqA.dpuf
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the parties and the freeze in political negotiations."
My earlier response to you which was pretty clear.
The cause of BDS is there since Israel is an apartheid state. Some may hope that Israel comes back to its senses and becomes the democracy it says it is; removing illegal colonies and racist policies.
Hope is good, but truth is truth. And the truth is that Israel has created BDS by its tireless goals of displacing, delegitimizing, destroying and extirpating the Palestinians from their lands.
Because of this BDS has been born out of the need to challenge Israel, to stop Israel and to hold Israel accountable.
shira
(30,109 posts)Are you denying that BDS doesn't want Israel (the Jewish state) gone?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Israeli apartheid is the source of BDS.
Own it.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Apartheidists, the miserable jackasses that support Israeli apartheid, and those that wear rose colored glasses want desperately to pretend otherwise.
Own it, my friend.
shira
(30,109 posts)Again, and this is fun because you keep running from it...
Are you denying BDS wants an end to the Jewish state?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)And again, do you want to discuss the OP or mumble in the corner about untruths and your inner phantoms?
shira
(30,109 posts)If you didn't include BDS in all your posts, I wouldn't even ask it.
Since you're afraid of answering that one, here's an easier one:
BDS seeks a peaceful 2-state solution recognizing a secure Jewish state next to a Palestinian state.
True or False?
Don't be afraid. Stand up for what you believe!
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)1. She is incapable of discussing the OP.
2. She would rather hide under a pile of excuses.
That's about it.
shira
(30,109 posts)....One thing is clear: The arrangement offered by Israel is probably the most generous and decent arrangement, compared to other countries. Israel is offering every Bedouin family in one of the unrecognized communities generous solutions, which include both a piece of land and infrastructures.
But the coalition of incitement and deception – which includes Adalah, Balad, rights movements and the Islamic Movement – is unhappy with these solutions. This coalition also has the Haaretz newspaper, which is fanning the flames, at its service.
It should be clarified that there is a huge difference between a critical stance against the state's conduct and major deception, which has one result: Lies and incitement. There is no need to mention that the coalition of incitement and deception chose the second option – not a battle for the Bedouins, but another opportunity for an anti-Israel campaign.
Last week, the Supreme Court decided to approve the evacuation of Bedouins from Umm al-Hiran to allow the construction of the new town of Hiran. According to Prof. Aeyal Gross, Haaretz's commentator, "The residents, who are about to be evacuated from the community and whose homes are about to be demolished in favor of the Jewish community of Hiran – have been living there for 60 years, after moving to the Nahal Yatir area in 1956 at the military governor's order."
Had these been the facts, we should have joined the protestors against the brutal eviction government. The problem is that Gross' statement is inaccurate, to say the least.
The facts are, first of all, that the Bedouin expansion to the compound allotted to Hiran began only after the decision was made to build the new community. It's written in the ruling. There are aerial photos that prove it. But Gross wasn't wrong. He misled his readers. If there is an opportunity to spread another lie about the Zionist expulsion, the coalition of deception and incitement will seize that opportunity.
Secondly, most of the Bedouins who were in the areas discussed by the Supreme Court willingly accepted the arrangement proposed by the state, according to the Prawer outline. The outline included generous land allotments in the adjacent recognized community of Hura, including an exemption from payment for the land, an exemption from payment for infrastructures and additional compensation for the transfer.
Thirdly, up until two years ago, the Regional Council of Unrecognized Villages of Negev – which are at the heart of the conflict – was headed by Ibrahim Aloquili, who tried to advance an arrangement with the state. The members of the coalition of incitement and deception didn't like it. They worked to present him as a collaborator and oust him. Why? Because radical elements wanted a militant line. "Aloquili has been seen for a long time now as a person who is sabotaging the attempts of other leaders to advance a more hawkish line vis-à-vis the government," they argued. The picture is becoming clear.
Other solutions can and may be presented. The Supreme Court's decision can be criticized. But that's not what Haaretz did. It misled its readers. It failed to mention the fact that most Bedouins supported the arrangement without being forced to. It failed to mention the fact that the Bedouins expanded to the community of Hiran only after it was decided to build it. It failed to mention the fact that the Bedouins' families are not being thrown out on the street but are receiving a generous arrangement from the state. Why were these facts concealed from the readers? We know the answer. It's not criticism; it's incitement and deception.
Not everyone who opposes the Prawer Plan is an enemy of the State of Israel or the Zionist enterprise. But for many, the Bedouin issue has turned into another propaganda tool as part of the attempt to present Israel, and the entire Zionist enterprise, as an enterprise of oppression, discrimination and expulsion. This is the reason why the campaign has become international.
Admittedly, the lies are winning. Even the European Union has already volunteered to save the Bedouins from the Zionist regime. In the face of the lies and distortion, all that is left is to present the facts.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4656018,00.html
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)A response is actually when you can present your own cogent argument without having to rely on somebody elses' bigoted myopic BS.
When you can put into your own words why the Bedouin get to be uprooted so Israeli Jews can live on that spot then call me.
Otherwise go sit at the kids table and cry useless nothings.
6chars
(3,967 posts)all would beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation would not lift up sword against nation, neither would they learn war anymore.
shira
(30,109 posts)BDS is totally against all normalization between Jews and Arabs.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They just know that that can't happen while the Occupation continues and the settlement expansion continnues.
Cooperation between Arabs and Jews only happens against the will of the Israeli government...especially the current one, the one that doesn't want the war to ever end.
shira
(30,109 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They want the Occupation to end and the collective punishment of Palestinians to end. The kind of cooperation you can't speak of can't happen while the status quo continues. It's simply not possible.
And there was no good reason to move the Bedouins. Nobody but Bedouins has ever even wanted to live in the Negev. Ben-Gurion kept trying to encourage Jewish migration to the Negev but nobody would take him up on it. They should just leave the Negev alone.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)- and in Israel no less. The question is then whether it's enough apartheid to say that Israel is an apartheid state, or if more apartheid practises are needed.
I honestly don't know, and I don't want to know. This is one of these things that must not happen, because if it does, then Israel's character as a democratic state is in question.
shira
(30,109 posts)....WRT how it treats Palestinians born there & denied the right to own land, denied public schooling & healthcare, & denied the right to work in numerous professions.
Apartheid doesn't get more genuine than that. And yet that's ignored while all the focus is on slandering Israel with silly charges of Apartheid that have no basis in reality.
That's indefensible.
Even worse is the demand that a future Palestine must be (settler) Jew free. How does someone oppose Apartheid while simultaneously advocating for it & condoning such a travesty?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You fit it to a T.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)bankrupt philosophy.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)of a Bedouin village village with a Jewish one not to be discriminatory at all.
If so, the other things will be useless to argue about, as my arguments are based on the demolition being discriminatory.
But then again, my intellectual capacity is only very average, an I must admit I don't really understand everything you've posted in this thread.
shira
(30,109 posts)It's impossible to debate anything - even something as legitimate as the Bedouins of the Negev - when you're tossing the Apartheid charge in.
When you bring something like that into the discussion, I have to question the motivation. You could have just made this about the Bedouin w/o bringing up absurd allegations of Apartheid. We could then have a discussion.
So why bring in the Apartheid charge, especially when it looks to me that every single time folks do that WRT Israel, it turns out THEY are the ones supporting, enabling, and advocating for Apartheid. (Like in Lebanon & within a future jew-free Palestine - both being far better examples of genuine Apartheid than anything Israel can be accused of).
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)It's almost as if you're more interesting in discussing the opinions of others without having one yourself.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)as if they were livestock.
What kind of disgusting humans do this?
Some democracy. 
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I really don't know.
I'm cautious and I don't want to jump onto any Israel is apartheid bandwagon too early. OTOH, I don't want to be someone who defended Israel as democracy when in retrospect it wasn't.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)How can you miss the blatantly obvious?
Would you let what is happening in Israel to happen in your own country?
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)It's gone so far that when I buy Israeli products, I'm asking myself if my conscience really is clear. Never had to do that before.
shira
(30,109 posts)....One thing is clear: The arrangement offered by Israel is probably the most generous and decent arrangement, compared to other countries. Israel is offering every Bedouin family in one of the unrecognized communities generous solutions, which include both a piece of land and infrastructures.
But the coalition of incitement and deception – which includes Adalah, Balad, rights movements and the Islamic Movement – is unhappy with these solutions. This coalition also has the Haaretz newspaper, which is fanning the flames, at its service.
It should be clarified that there is a huge difference between a critical stance against the state's conduct and major deception, which has one result: Lies and incitement. There is no need to mention that the coalition of incitement and deception chose the second option – not a battle for the Bedouins, but another opportunity for an anti-Israel campaign.
Last week, the Supreme Court decided to approve the evacuation of Bedouins from Umm al-Hiran to allow the construction of the new town of Hiran. According to Prof. Aeyal Gross, Haaretz's commentator, "The residents, who are about to be evacuated from the community and whose homes are about to be demolished in favor of the Jewish community of Hiran – have been living there for 60 years, after moving to the Nahal Yatir area in 1956 at the military governor's order."
Had these been the facts, we should have joined the protestors against the brutal eviction government. The problem is that Gross' statement is inaccurate, to say the least.
The facts are, first of all, that the Bedouin expansion to the compound allotted to Hiran began only after the decision was made to build the new community. It's written in the ruling. There are aerial photos that prove it. But Gross wasn't wrong. He misled his readers. If there is an opportunity to spread another lie about the Zionist expulsion, the coalition of deception and incitement will seize that opportunity.
Secondly, most of the Bedouins who were in the areas discussed by the Supreme Court willingly accepted the arrangement proposed by the state, according to the Prawer outline. The outline included generous land allotments in the adjacent recognized community of Hura, including an exemption from payment for the land, an exemption from payment for infrastructures and additional compensation for the transfer.
Thirdly, up until two years ago, the Regional Council of Unrecognized Villages of Negev – which are at the heart of the conflict – was headed by Ibrahim Aloquili, who tried to advance an arrangement with the state. The members of the coalition of incitement and deception didn't like it. They worked to present him as a collaborator and oust him. Why? Because radical elements wanted a militant line. "Aloquili has been seen for a long time now as a person who is sabotaging the attempts of other leaders to advance a more hawkish line vis-à-vis the government," they argued. The picture is becoming clear.
Other solutions can and may be presented. The Supreme Court's decision can be criticized. But that's not what Haaretz did. It misled its readers. It failed to mention the fact that most Bedouins supported the arrangement without being forced to. It failed to mention the fact that the Bedouins expanded to the community of Hiran only after it was decided to build it. It failed to mention the fact that the Bedouins' families are not being thrown out on the street but are receiving a generous arrangement from the state. Why were these facts concealed from the readers? We know the answer. It's not criticism; it's incitement and deception.
Not everyone who opposes the Prawer Plan is an enemy of the State of Israel or the Zionist enterprise. But for many, the Bedouin issue has turned into another propaganda tool as part of the attempt to present Israel, and the entire Zionist enterprise, as an enterprise of oppression, discrimination and expulsion. This is the reason why the campaign has become international.
Admittedly, the lies are winning. Even the European Union has already volunteered to save the Bedouins from the Zionist regime. In the face of the lies and distortion, all that is left is to present the facts.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4656018,00.html
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)what they haven't been offered is being allowed to stay right where they are and finally after 50+ years being connected to the public utilities most Israeli citizens take for granted
in addition what rarely gets mentioned is that a number of thes Negev villages came into being because they were forced off of land in Israel's less arid more fertile north, why for the same reason they are once again being moved, JNS wants the land
shira
(30,109 posts)These facts are omitted & ignored in order to slander Israel & deliberately incite hatred and violence.
Just more of the same bullshit.
Try to isolate Israel & make it a pariah state. Thereby making it okay to seek its destruction. Such a horrible state has no right to exist, especially within a 2-state framework that would legitimize a Jewish state.
The gig is up. The propagandist haters of Israel are way too fucking transparent.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)if it were anything more Ynet would not have published it as an OP-ED it would have been a news feature
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israel/JNS has banished the Bedouin from from the North to the South at its whim, the townships built for Bedouins are largely slums, this is nothing new oh and Israel did not offer to hook Umm al Hiran up to public utilities
shira
(30,109 posts)Where I come from, lies by omission are still lies.
In this case, incitement.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)so too bad so sad for the Bedouin but you're in our way-again?
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)if anything IMO Israel/JNS should be paying the Bedouin for using their land
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Ministry of Justice?
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Where else would Ynet publish it? It's not news.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The Israeli military government moved the residents of Umm el-Hiran to their current location in the 1950s. Now, the government wants to force them out — in order to build a Jewish community on the ruins of their homes.
http://972mag.com/watch-the-triple-displacement-of-umm-el-hiran/108221/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=13&v=EO02K8O47zw
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)to evict them.
Right?
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)But if you need to sell excuse #17 then go for broke.
shira
(30,109 posts)You know that, so there's no reason to pretend otherwise.
Or is there a reason to pretend?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Therefore, you resort to deflections.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)thanks for the kick!
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)What you offer is he case for apartheid.
"They gotta move so we can create a Jewish-only village while erasing the past."
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)is to blame for its state of affairs.
But what is worse is how some poorly attempt to deflect from the clearly discriminatory - racist Israeli policy of forced removal of Israeli citizens to be replaced by another, supposedly superior, group of Israeli Jews.
They are clearly more aligned with people like David Duke, Pamela Geller and Rabi Meir Kahane.
shira
(30,109 posts)Or punt.
As for the racists you just mentioned, see my signature. Because that's exactly what BDS stands for.
You've been corrected.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)god-awful splainin.
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)in fact you apply it quite frequently to Palestinians, it seems is there some reason?
People who refer to Israelis or Jews as Nazi's frequently get ppred.
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)23. What are you talking about? n/t
Zionism is our civil rights movement. All who denounce it are no different from the Jim Crow advocates, the Nazis, or the Afrikaners.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=107520
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)bravo but the addition changes nothing as you seem to believe anything that does not fall within a strictly narrow band of 'solutions' that could maybe, possibly, might, make some tiny change someday as long as it's not today, tomorrow, or really the foreseeable future, as some sort of threat to Israel's existence.
shira
(30,109 posts)We know this happens. Why does it happen? What are we to make of people who do this?
We know this happens too. So why does it happen? What are we to make of people who do this?
...via no more Jewish state. Would the end of the Jewish state make Jews safer worldwide or more vulnerable to attacks?
R. Daneel Olivaw
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