Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumIsraeli troops shoot, injure Palestinian teen at flying checkpoint
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=673597Palestinian security sources told Ma'an that Israeli troops operating a flying checkpoint near the illegal settlement of Yitzhar fired at a Palestinian car that allegedly refused to stop at the soldiers' request.
A bullet hit Nahad Kamal Aqil in the thigh, and she was taken to a nearby hospital, the sources said, adding that the teen is a resident of Kafr Qaddum in the northern West Bank.
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Israeli forces maintain severe restrictions on Palestinians' freedom of movement in the West Bank through a combination of fixed checkpoints, flying checkpoints, roads forbidden to Palestinians but open to Jewish settlers, and various other physical obstructions.
Nothing to see. Keep moving. It's just another militarily assaulted Palestinian; molested by the apartheid picnic.
sabbat hunter
(6,839 posts)Israel has the right and in fact the responsibility to keep order in the WB. Part of that responsibility is check points.
If someone refuses to stop at the check points, measures have to be taken to stop them
Now obviously, Israel should not have the illegal settlements and in fact should pull out of the WB (with the exception of the old city), unilaterally if need be.
But until they do, Israel has the responsibility to have checkpoints to help keep the peace (Btw they should be stopping settlers cars as well, I do not know if they do that or not).
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)It is not their right to be occupying somebody else's land. There also seems to be a high rate of Palestinians shot/killed attacked by the IDF and settlers: illegally occupying their land.
sabbat hunter
(6,839 posts)or they unilaterally withdraw, what Israel is doing as an occupying force is required under international law.
The settlers should not be there as part of any occupation.
The territory occupied was the result of the 6 day war. Egypt, Syria and Jordan mobilized its troops on the borders with Israel. Egypt expelled the peace keepers and closed the straits of Tiran (considered by international law to be an act of war). Israel attacked Egypt. Jordan had a mutual defense treaty with Egypt (Signed shortly before hand). Jordan(which had iraqi forces attached to it)then attacked Israel and Israel struck back at the Jordanian/Iraqi force (remember at this point in time the WB had been annexed by Jordan).
As a result of the war, Israel drove thru the WB to the Jordan river and thus began its occupation of the WB.
The occupation itself is legal due to the war against Israel by Jordan. The settlements however are not legal.
As the occupying force Israel should be defending the Palestinians against the settlers, which they are failing to to.
However, at the same time Israel has the right to have roadblocks and traffic stops to inspect cars traveling in the occupied territory.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)making your point of how it's sooooooo very legal quite moot, but thanks for the annotated history lesson short story
Israel 'sneak attacked' Egypt for the flimsiest of excuses and executed what in hindsight was a well planned land grab
sabbat hunter
(6,839 posts)the settlers should not be there. But with the occupation the IDF would still be there, along with checkpoints and road blocks.
But Israel attacked Egypt after Egypt massed troops at the border and closed straits of Tarin. That is not a flimsy excuse. Egypt had been saber rattling and threatening war for a long time. The closing the straits is an international recognized act of war.
Israel launched a counter attack on Jordan. It even told Jordan that it would not strike back at it if it initiated no further action against Israel (after a shelling by Jordan on to Israel on at 930am June 5th). But King Hussein said the dye was cast and ordered further attacks. At 11:15am Jordanian howitzers started shelling Israeli positions on Mt Scopus, a kibbutz to the south of Jerusalem. At about noon Jordanian planes entered Israeli airspace and attacked civilian outposts. After that point Israel launched counter attacks.
Jordan got roped into the war with false reports from Nasser and a defensive treaty it signed.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)All that public discourse on record about attacking Egypt for security reasons has been mitigated by some newly uncovered papers that demonstrate Israel actually invaded to occupy land. I'd love to see them.
The alternative would be that you're just making up nonexistent evidence that Israel's motives were other than the record states. "Well planned" implies a plan being formulated and enacted after all.
Was returning all of the land part of their plan? How about the subsequent peace treaty?
What exactly does the plan outline? Attacking Egypt to take the Sinai in order to settle it, evacuate it, and return it, in the hopes it would instigate Jordan to invade (despite pleas from Israel for them NOT to do so, which was the most cunning part of the plan probably), so Israel could grab the West Bank?
Because that is one hell of a plan.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Gaza to attack Israel with impunity as Israel is doing the same thing Egypt did save Israel is causing far far more harm to the people of Gza by it's multi-part land, sea, and air blockade than Egypt could have possibly caused by blockading Eilat and ONLY Elilat but that aside the incredibly well co-ordinate attack on the West Bank and East Jerusalem would allude to some planning in advance and in fact that land grab may well have been the entire motivation to attack Egypt because at the time Egypt and Jordan had a mutual defense treaty