and it's moving westward, then there has to be some kind of unity between the Israelis and Palestinians to fend off IS and help eradicate them for good.

Israel has stayed out of the fight, but with the fighting coming close to their borders, Israel may have to stand up and defend its borders.

One thing we all agree - IS is the enemy of everyone.

They would seem to be next.

then if IS is that stupid, then Israel will remove them from the face of the earth.......

I'm just sitting here, absorbing such a statement. I am an American Democrat, by the way.

Interesting for someone with a donkey avatar.

But you knew that.

tombstoned repeatedly?

My one and only ignore.

I hope the women and children are given some consideration. That's the worst. It's all wrong.

I'm praying for peace, to whatever higher intelligence may be in the etheric world, protect the innocent.

Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me.
Amen

If, starting in 1946, Israel had not used terrorism to drive out many thousands of Palestinians from Palestine there would be no Palestinian refugee camps.

And not forced to live as refugees for multiple generations.

Sort of like what happened with the many thousands of Jews who were driven out of Europe and the Middle East through terrorism but became citizens of the US, Canada, Israel, Australia, etc.

If, after driving them out in the first place, Israel recognized the Palestinian right of return as it recognizes a Biblical based Jewish right of return, the Palestinians would still live in Palestine.

By the way, are you blaming the Palestinians for all the pogroms and persecutions of the Jews carried out in Europe?

Generations unlike Jewish refugees that were absorbed mostly into the USA and Israel.

Not some other tangent of a conversation that you wanted to go on.....

lies in the land theft and dispossession that the Israelis committed in Palestine.

Dealing with symptoms without dealing with causes is never a solution. The refugee camps, the forced migration, the war crimes in Gaza, the continued land theft in the West Bank, all spring from the original crime of land theft.

why are Palestinian refugees not assimilated into countries they are living in many generations later unlike Jewish refugees?

justify forced dispossession and insist that the forcibly dispossessed be absorbed by other countries? Please give me a link to this novel, to me at least, legal principle.

Under your interesting idea, I could evict you from your house and insist that one of your relatives, or a neighbor, take you in?

Do I understand your argument?

What other group of refugees have remained refugees in the countries they fled to for generations?

Besides the Palestinians ? It's cruel , that's what it is.

These other countries are morally repugnant for allowing this situation ,shame on them.

So if I throw you out of your house your neighbor MUST take you in or your neighbor is at fault?

Who Israel dispossesses, surrounding countries must absorb or these surrounding countries are to blame?

A very interesting way to cover for Israeli war crimes by blaming the neighbors of the victims.

And no, there is no "legal" in your arguments. Only a futile attempt to excuse war crimes.

It's like going around in circles here with this conversation....and it is going nowhere .


Everything is a "war crime" apartheid " etc etc with you? LOL

Bye

We know this simply because you run.

More often than you've paid it any mind, obviously.

1) With the exception of Lebanon (and as of 1991, Kuwait) every nation on earth that hosts Palestinian refugees has offered them citizenship. Jordan has granted them de facto citizenship since the 50's (which is different from de jure, becuase...)

2) whether or not a refugee becomes a citizen of their host state is wholly up to that refugee. Not Jordan nor any other nation can legally go "okay, you're all citizens now." They could - as Jordan - grant them rights equal to citizens, but can't actually make them citizens without the consent of the refugees.

3) becoming a citizen of a host state annuls the refugee's status and rights as a refugee. Their right of return, for starters - if one of the Somali or afghan refugees here in Seattle decides to become a US citizen, they forfeit any right to return to their home in Somalia or Afghanistan, if either nation decides to bar them - Somalia can go "no, you are American, live in America."

The only state forcing Palestinians to live as refugees is Israel, by denying their rights as refugees. it has been doing so since 1950, and always for the same reason - to maintain the rewards of ethnic cleansing.

You couldn't have corrected what clearly is not bullshit.

The long answer or so called "correction " you wrote there is clearly the bullshit.

The only country to offer citizenship to Palestinians is Jordan and even they recently retracted it.

You are the one spewing bullshit not Oberliner and clearly your not so up to speed on this IP topic... Back to the books and reading for you.

What does "Hasbara" mean to you?

LOL

I'm uncertain of the exact number, but it's definitely greater than zero. Seven, at least.



Good thing what I corrected was bullshit, then. The correction oif bullshit bothers you, it seems. i can only speculate as to the reasons for that.



Thorough answers tend to be wrong. sorry Dave, but not every point can be made with "lol " as you strive to do. if you don't want to read informed replies, no one's forcing you do do so.



False, actually. Every nation that hosts palestinain refugees offers a path to citizenship in that state to those refugees - and to every ither variety of refugee in that state, in most cases. Lebanon and Kuwait are the only two in the Arab world that do not do so. Jordan's thing was that ir (illegally) declared the annexation of the west bank in the 1950's, extended blanket citizenship to Palestinians, and so on. It's illegal because, again, you cannot force citizenship onto someone (also because hte annexation was illegal, but that's another matter.) Thus Jordan could offer fully equal rights to Jordanians (in practice, it actually didn't, no surprise there) but it can't actually make non-Jordanians into Jordanians.

It's like postmortem Mormon baptism, that way. Albert Einstein was not a Mormon, no matter how much they claim him as one.



Except that i'm right. You know I'm correct. It upsets your apple cart, so all you have is going "nuh uh!" and some mindless invective.

It doesn't rectify a post by doubling down on it and reposting the BS.

1 x 0 =0 And 2 x 0 = 0 as well...

LOL

On Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:16 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The answer to your question is ZERO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=98592

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Personal attack.

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If the alerter is gonna play in I/P, s/he'd better toughen up.
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For pointing out a post is inaccurate?

If he would have allowed Palestinian refugees from Syria into the Palestinian Territories as the PA requested, I’m sure there would be fewer deaths and less misery.

I assume it's based on ignorance rather than malice, but it's a good window into where you are coming from with respect to the situation in Syria.

The PA has specifically requested that Palestinian refugees from Syria not be allowed into the Palestinian Territories.

To say nothing of the fact that Israel has offered repeatedly to send humanitarian aid to the Syrian people via the Red Cross and have been told that it would not be accepted if it came from Israel.

the rest is here

http://972mag.com/a-humane-israel-sets-conditions-for-palestinians-fleeing-syria/63592/

Haaretz (Jan 28 2013): Palestinian refugees flee war in Syria
(snipped 21st paragraph): “Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said he asked U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon last month to seek Israeli permission to bring Palestinians caught in Syria's civil war to their homeland. Last week, he said that Israel agreed to allow 150,000 Palestinians refugees from Syrian into the West Bank and Gaza, as long as they relinquished the right of return to what is now Israel. Abbas said he refused.”
Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/palestinian-refugees-flee-war-in-syria-1.496830

Times of Israel (Jan 10, 2013): Abbas rejects Israeli offer to allow refugees from Syria to enter West Bank and Gaza
“Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas rejected an Israeli offer to allow Palestinian refugees fleeing Syria to enter the Palestinian territories on condition that they forgo their “right of return” to Israel proper, Abbas told the Egyptian press on Wednesday evening. “
Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/abbas-rejects-israeli-offer-to-allow-refugees-from-syria-to-enter-west-bank-and-gaza/

So basically, the PA makes a request via the UN to Israel that some 150,000 refugees should be let into the West Bank and Gaza for humanitarian reasons. And Israel says like: “OK, but you must accept my outlandish request that you sign away your own birthrigt and those of your children too.” Of course the PA can’t agree to such conditions, it’s like a sick joke. A similar situation would be if African Americans that moved to Alabama (sorry, Alabama) were forced by the authorities to relinquish their right to vote, for them and all their descendants in perpetuity.

So yeah, Netanyahu has blood on his hands.

......and like Lady Macbeth nothing will make them clean ....."What, will these hands ne'er be clean. . . All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand" .....

He is a murdering monster .....and his wife is the perfect Lady Macbeth.

Who can say?

The regime or the rebels or what?

The camp was largely empty, I saw the number 18000 out of 250000 left. (Edit: 150000.)

Which was why it was easy to take, and easy to take back.

I think the jihadis were looking for a easy "win". They are not doing so well militarily and need to keep the recruiting pipeline going, which they do seem to be able to do, I'm sorry to say.

I'll go find it, ah, here is one:

http://www.dpa-international.com/news/international/palestinian-forces-retake-parts-of-damascus-camp-from-islamic-state-a-44772656.html

This gives new meaning to that idea that we need to join hands with the Palestinians to save Israel.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141056401

BEIRUT (AP) — Civilians trapped in a Palestinian refugee camp in Syria's capital fled to safer areas Saturday amid intense shelling and clashes between Palestinian armed factions and the Islamic militants who took over most of the camp, Syrian activists said.

A Damascus-based Palestinian official, Khaled Abdul-Majid, said the militants controlled about half of the Yarmouk camp, located on the edge of the Syrian capital.

Islamic State militants stormed the camp in southern Damascus on Wednesday, marking the extremist group's deepest foray yet into the capital. Palestinian officials and Syrian activists said they were working with rivals from the al-Qaida affiliate in Syria, the Nusra Front. The two groups have fought bloody battles against each other in other parts of Syria, but appear to be cooperating in the attack on Yarmouk.

The United Nations says around 18,000 civilians are trapped in Yarmouk, including a large number of children. The camp has been under government siege for nearly two years and has witnessed several rounds of ferocious and deadly fighting between government forces and militants.n activists said.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/world/article/Militants-seize-most-of-refugee-camp-in-Syria-s-6178789.php

Islamic State takes 90 percent of Damascus refugee camp: monitor

Islamic State has taken control of 90 percent of a Palestinian refugee camp on the Damascus outskirts where 18,000 civilians have suffered years of bombing, army siege and militia control, a monitoring group said on Saturday.

The hardline group's offensive in Yarmouk gives it a major presence in the capital. Islamic State, the most powerful insurgent group in Syria, is now only a few kilometers from President Bashar al-Assad's seat of power.

The United Nations has said it is extremely concerned about the safety and protection of Syrians and Palestinians in the camp. Civilians trapped there have long suffered a government siege that has led to starvation and disease.

"The situation in Yarmouk is an affront to the humanity of all of us, a source of universal shame," U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) spokesman Chris Gunness said.

"Yarmouk is a test, a challenge for the international community. We must not fail. The credibility of the international system itself is at stake," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/04/us-mideast-crisis-syria-yarmouk-idUSKBN0MV08520150404

How do you see the international community responding to this?

I expect they will be fighting over the camp for some time now. Until one side or the other pushes the argument away, to somewhere else. RIght now there appears to be a lot of fighting going on in S. Syria, but not much detail.

You think that is just hyperbole or for real?

We have spent the last 15 years or so trying to destroy it, it's not just going to pop back into shape.

The only good thing is that everybody, well almost everybody, agrees that that was a mistake. The Neocons still want to double down, but they are morons and everybody can see that now.