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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:09 AM Apr 2015

Iran Holocaust cartoon contest draws 839 entries

Source: Times of Israel

Over 300 artists, including from France, Turkey and Brazil, turn in works for competition derided by UNESCO

Hundreds of people from Iran and around the world have submitted art for a “Holocaust cartoon contest,” an official from the competition said Monday.

Secretary Masud Shojaei-Tabatabaii told Iran’s semi-official Fars news agency that 839 works had been submitted to the Second International Holocaust Cartoon Contest, a cynical sequel to a much derided 2006 competition making light of the slaughter of 6 million Jews in Europe during World War II.

Organizers putting on the contest say it is designed to highlight the world’s double standard in defending caricatures of the Muslim prophet Mohammed, whose depiction is taboo in Islam.

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-holocaust-cartoon-contest-draws-hundreds-of-entries/

Direct link: http://www.irancartoon.com/the-second-holocaust-international-cartoon-contest-2015/
There are quite a few offensive cartoons at the link. If the link is considered offensive, I’ll remove it.

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still_one

(92,481 posts)
1. The only double standard is people who did the caricatures of Mohammed were attacked and killed, by
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:34 AM
Apr 2015

radical Muslims. There will be no attacks on anyone or group for this bullshit.

Even if they defaced Jesus and Christianity, no one would be killed because of the that, but one is taking your life in your hands when it is done against Mohammed. The Double Standard is their bullshit

Maybe we can hear how they feel about gays and women while we are at it


 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. Is free speech a value or not?
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 03:35 AM
Apr 2015

Evidently, vile, hurtful words and images are only free speech so long as they are targeted at people "The West" gets off on slaughtering by the hundreds of thousands.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
3. You're trying to evade the point--- badly.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 03:49 AM
Apr 2015

It would only be hypocrisy around the value of free speech, if someone were to shoot the cartoonists for drawing these pictures.

No one is going to, no one is even advocating doing so, and in fact they would be perfectly free to draw and publish them in this country, too.

still_one

(92,481 posts)
5. and this is not new at all. Remember when the Iranian government backed the fatwa against Rushdie for his book
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:26 AM
Apr 2015

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. Agreed. They are making the exact opposite point than the one they think they're making.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:33 AM
Apr 2015

'Course I'm not hugely surprised when Theocratic regimes don't understand a concept like free speech.

More disappointing is when people who should know better don't understand it, like around here.

still_one

(92,481 posts)
4. Killing or bombing because you consider words or images blasphemous is NOT free speech. That is
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:22 AM
Apr 2015

called seeing only what you want to see

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. I never said it was, Still_One.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:02 PM
Apr 2015

I'm talking about the hypocrisy you have strived to miss. Made a mighty effort to avoid, in fact.

I just want to know why one set of cartoons are bad, and the other set good?

No, we don't kill them for drawing cartoons, I'll grant. We kill them for being Iraqis. We kill them for being Afghans. We kill them for being Palestinians. We threaten to kill them for being Iranians (and in fact not so very long ago we were doing our best to help as many of those people off the mortal coil as we could.) We kill them for opposing 'friendly" dictators like King Khalifa and "president" Hadi. we kill them for supporting "unfriendly" dictators like Assad, or even for voting for the wrong party, such as Egypt's Freedom and Justice.

When we're not killing them for these things, we support people who are. David's made a big show of giving a fuck about what happens to Palestinians in a refugee camp he had no idea existed until yesterday; and good for him, it's a start. But how much of his money goes towards butchering those people? I dunno, depends on how much money the United States government is giving to Saudi Arabia and "the resistance" in Syria, doesn't it? probably identical to the amount of money being siphoned out of my pockets for the same endeavors, distressingly. And yours.

So no, we don't kill people for drawing ugly cartoons. We kill them for breathing while being the wrong religion. For being the wrong nationality. for not cleaving totally to our political ideology. for living near people who fail any of those tasks. basically we kill them for existing.

Which makes us better than them.

still_one

(92,481 posts)
12. That wasn't the subject of this thread Scootaloo. That is my point. They are two different issues.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:48 PM
Apr 2015

There are plenty of arguments that can be made on our screwed on our foreign policy, and how it has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands, but that isn't the subject of this thread

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. People are (largely) not saying that one set of cartoons is "good" and the other "bad"
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 04:18 PM
Apr 2015

They are saying that the reaction to one set of cartoons is different from the reaction to the other.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
7. Because nobody is murdered in cold blood for drawing a cartoon
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 06:43 AM
Apr 2015

In a state sanctioned antisemitic orgy.

That's free speech.

In France it was also free speech at Charlie Hebdo but some cold blooded terrorists murderers disagreed.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. You seem confused--criticizing offensive cartoons is not a restriction on free speech.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:50 AM
Apr 2015

Shooting the cartoonists is.

It's not the west that has difficulties applying the free speech concept.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
10. Oh, I'm going by what I was told by the likes of Warren back in January
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 09:07 PM
Apr 2015

Where if you are even remotely critical of the material, think it's in poor taste, or that maybe there's a higher calling than trolling people, then you're every bit as much a murdering terrorist as the assholes who shot up Charlie Hebdo.

So if my belief that magazine covers having a laugh at the sex slavery imposed on Malian teenagers is in poor taste means i am just as bad as people who murder the cartoonists, then surely anyone who feel similarly about these cartoons is also just as bad as cartoonist-murderers as well.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
13. People believe a lot of dumb hateful things about other people, what we try and do about it
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 10:39 PM
Apr 2015

is what matters:

Muslim Scholar, Looking to ‘Speak the Truth,’ Teaches the Holocaust and Islam ( February 2015 )


Early in the summer of 2007, a doctoral student named Mehnaz M. Afridi traveled from her California home to a conference in southern Germany. Her official role was to deliver a paper on anti-Semitism in Egyptian literature, a rather loaded subject for a Muslim scholar. Seventy miles away, she had another appointment, and an even riskier agenda.

After the conference concluded, Ms. Afridi drove to the former concentration camp in Dachau, Germany. As she stood before the dun bricks of a crematorium, she prayed. “Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji’un,” she said in Arabic, meaning, “Surely we belong to God and to him shall we return.”

“I didn’t know that moment would be defining my role,” Dr. Afridi, 44, said a few weeks ago. “I didn’t even realize then that I was at a crossroads. People see the Holocaust and Islam as two separate things, but these stories of faith and catastrophe are not opposites. They are companions.”


Dr. Afridi has made these seeming irreconcilables into companions in her life’s work. An assistant professor of religion at Manhattan College, she teaches courses about both Islam and the Holocaust, and she is director of the college’s Holocaust, Genocide and Interfaith Education Center. Her book “Shoah Through Muslim Eyes,” referring to an alternative term for the Holocaust, will be published in July, and she is a member of the ethics and religion committee of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

Such roles have made Dr. Afridi both a valued intermediary and a visible target in the troubled relations between Muslims and Jews. As her research unflinchingly shows, a strain of Holocaust denial runs deep in the Arab-Muslim world. Holocaust recognition among Arabs and Muslims, less noticed but equally divisive, has also served as a means of delegitimizing Israel and Zionism. By this line of reasoning, which ignores the historical ties of Jews to Israel, the Holocaust was a crime inflicted by Europeans for which Palestinians paid the price.

While Dr. Afridi is an observant Muslim, praying daily and fasting during Ramadan, she is seen by Muslim critics as disloyal or naïve for putting her scholarly work at least partly in the service of chronicling a Jewish tragedy, rather than the defeat and dispossession that Palestinians call the Nakba. Moreover, she has studied in Israel and expressed support in her writings for a two-state solution for Israelis and Palestinians.


“When I think about Mehnaz Afridi, I go back to the first generation of Christians who really engaged with the Holocaust, when the feelings were so fresh and deeply wounded,” said Michael Berenbaum, a prominent Holocaust historian who has been a mentor to Dr. Afridi. “Now there’s an even deeper, double-edged wound of Jews and Muslims seeing themselves as victims of the other. You only have two ultimate protections in the field: the quality of your scholarship and your ability to take a punch.”

Dr. Afridi’s resilience received a thorough field test after she joined Manhattan College in 2011. With her appointment, the college — a Catholic institution in the Bronx — expanded the mandate of its Holocaust center to cover other genocides, including those in Armenia and Cambodia.

“Six million dead Jews are weeping and screaming from their graves,” the blogger Pamela Geller wrote at the time. “And the Islamic supremacists are howling and rubbing their hooves together in anticipation. Such stupidity is without equal.”

Dov Hikind, a state assemblyman from a heavily Orthodox Jewish section of Brooklyn, told The Jewish Week of New York at the time that “the addition of Dr. Afridi and the expansion of the center’s mission diminish the magnitude of the Holocaust as a defining Jewish event.”

In the subsequent months, Dr. Afridi said, some Muslims called her a “Jew lover.” More troubling to her are the persistent rumors in Muslim circles that her scholarly work is being secretly funded by Jews.

Raked by those hostile crosswinds, Dr. Afridi keeps her address and the names of her family members confidential. Nothing, however, had led to self-censorship in her role as a public intellectual, she said.


“I have the empirical, existential understanding of my subject matter,” she said. “And I have the belief that if you speak for another, it means more than if you speak for yourself, for your own people. And when there’s so much daily tension between Muslims and Jews, it’s momentous for us to do this work, whether it’s me with the Shoah, or it’s a Jewish scholar speaking out about the Muslims in Bosnia or about Palestinian suffering. We are commanded by God to speak the truth.”

However divinely directed, Dr. Afridi had to make her own, idiosyncratic way. The child of a relatively secular banker and his more religious wife, she was raised in Pakistan, Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, England and Switzerland before coming to the United States in 1984 for her last two years of high school. She attended a school in Scarsdale, a suburb of New York with a large Jewish population. She was one of few Muslims in the area, and her introduction to interfaith relations involved being roughed up by her soccer teammates and hearing her parents being insulted.

Nearly a decade later, while pursuing a master’s degree in religious studies at Syracuse University, she served as a teaching assistant to Alan L. Berger, a professor specializing in Holocaust literature. Sensing her curiosity, he urged her to visit Israel, and she spent five weeks there in 1995, ostensibly to study biblical archaeology.

Under that guise, she threaded her way through Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa and the Palestinian territories of the West Bank. The experience magnified her interest in both Islam and Judaism. Along one axis, she earned a doctorate in Islam and religious studies from the University of South Africa. Along the other, as a visiting professor of theological studies at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles from 2003 to 2005, she began recording oral histories of Holocaust survivors.

“At the end of the interviews, I’d explain that I’m Muslim,” she recalled, “and one woman said to me: ‘There’s Holocaust denial. What are you going to do about it?’ ”

Three months after that encounter, Dr. Afridi made her pilgrimage to Dachau, answering the survivor’s question by changing the direction of her academic career. Manhattan College’s search in 2011 for a professor who could teach about the Holocaust as well as Islam was almost providentially suited to her résumé.

For her course on “Religion and the Holocaust,” she faces one set of challenges — teaching about that terrible time in history to young people who often barely know it, and discussing Christian anti-Semitism’s role in the Shoah with students who are predominantly Christian. In her role as author, lecturer and director of a genocide center, she encounters Jews and Muslims, some supportive and others antagonistic, yet all, in her view, reachable.

“If a Muslim asks me why I’m not teaching about the Nakba, then I’ll say we already know about it, and what we need to learn about is the Holocaust,” she said. “And if a Jew tells me, ‘Muslims are Nazis,’ I’ll say, ‘Can we have lunch?’ These are the people we have to engage.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/us/muslim-scholar-looking-to-speak-the-truth-teaches-about-holocaust-and-islam.html?_r=0

King_David

(14,851 posts)
14. So what,
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:20 AM
Apr 2015

Doesn't change anything at all with this state sponsored orgy of antisemitism.

You could post an equal feel good story for every bad that is posted - and so what?

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