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Jay Michaelson
I am sometimes asked: "How can you be gay and Jewish? Doesn't the Bible forbid homosexuality?" Here is my attempt at an answer.
At the outset, I am only answering this question as part of a subset of a subset of Jews: religious Jews who feel themselves bound or in some way affected by the Torah and Jewish law. Of course, the majority of Jews do not believe themselves to be bound in any such way. For them, the issue is much simpler: any prohibitions which may exist are historical in nature and far less important than conscience, ethics, culture, and other values. The law evolves, or doesn't matter anyway. So what the questioner really means is: how can one be gay and religiously Jewish, with a religious consciousness that, for whatever reasons, treats what the Bible says with seriousness. That is the question I mean to answer.
The Bible does not forbid homosexuality. 'Homosexuality' is a modern term, a pseudo- scientific category created in 1869. It refers not only to sexual acts, but to a sexual orientation, an identity, and is today used (imprecisely) to describe a range of sexual behaviors, attractions, and ideas about the self. This way of looking at sex acts was unknown both to the Bible and to the Talmud. Where the Torah does speak of sexual acts, as we will see below, it has no conception that these acts relate to personal identity, or to love. It expresses no belief that such acts are indicative of an inborn proclivity, and no conception that acts "make you gay," or even that one type sex act is necessarily related to another. Those who say that the Bible (or Torah, or Talmud, or halacha) forbids homosexuality are simply wrong. There is no such thing as Biblical homosexuality.
http://www.zeek.net/jay_0409.shtml
King_David
(14,851 posts)Jay Michaelson is the author of four books and two hundred articles on the intersections of religion, spirituality, sexuality, and law. His most recent book, God vs. Gay? The Religious Case for Equality (Beacon), was an Amazon.com bestseller and has been nominated for a 2012 Lambda Literary Award. Jay is a contributing editor to the Forward newspaper, associate editor of Religion Dispatches magazine, and the founding editor of Zeek magazine, and his work has appeared in Salon, Newsweek, Tikkun, The Huffington Post, and other publications. His other books include Everything is God: The Radical Path of Nondual Judaism and Another Word for Sky: Poems.
Jay is also the founder of Nehirim, a national community of LGBT Jews, partners, and allies, which has been recognized by the Slingshot Fund as one of the fifty most innovative Jewish nonprofits in the US. Jays advocacy on behalf of sexual minorities in religious communities has been featured on CNN, NPR, and in the New York Times.
In 2009, Jay was included on the Forward 50 list of influential American Jews, and in 2010 he won the New York Society of Professional Journalists award for opinion writing. He received his J.D. from Yale Law School and will soon be completing his Ph.D in Jewish Thought at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, where he holds an M.A. in religion. Jay has held teaching positions at Boston University Law School, City College of New York, and Yale University.
http://www.jaymichaelson.net/
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)When I asked how, he answered the same way as Jay Michaelson.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)The invention of the term led hucksters and quacks, whether in the religion or patent medicine industries, in the early 1900s, to hawk "cures" just as they are doing today. The FEAR and HATE and divide & conquer strategy goes way, way back. So many "doctors" were created, and though I haven't studied it yet, I'd bet that "religious" degrees in "doctorates" were probably pushed through by bullies and quacks in that same time period.
Divide and conquer, indeed. They're doing it, we keep falling for it.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Ref: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nominally def 7
Zorra
(27,670 posts)notional
1. Of, containing, or being a notion; mental or imaginary.
2. Speculative or theoretical.
3. Linguistics Conveying an idea of a thing or of an action; having full lexical meaning as distinguished from relational meaning. The word did is notional in We did the work and relational in We did not agree.
Do you not believe that LGBT individuals were born LGBT?
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)One is born gay and born Jewish
I will fix the prior post and thanks for catching it
Zorra
(27,670 posts)I hate it when I am compelled to do that.
Happy Pride Month!
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Zorra
(27,670 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)game.
Just letting the insulting post stand as long as possible, trying to get the thread locked because of some anti-Semitic beliefs, etc.
I don't know; you see, there are even some that become members of DU for the express purpose of posting childish, bigoted homophobic comments.
I do realize there may be some legitimate reason for your tardiness in fixing your post, but, you must understand where I'm coming from here so if I block you under these circumstances, you will have a clear picture of my reasoning.
Please fix your post ASAP, as per your word, or, please understand, I have little choice but to assume that your intentions are malicious, and will block you in order to protect the members of the LGBT group.
I will not be locking this thread under the present circumstances
Thank you for your consideration.
Please read:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11373759#post8
Please, don't post anything that may be insulting/degrading to the LGBT community.
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To all the sincere DU members posting here, you are so very welcome to share in our group. We are open to discussing a wide variety of ideas, and are sincerely grateful for your support of the LGBT community.
Please, if you are not significantly experienced with LGBT issues, try to understand that there are some folks outside the LGBT community who do not realize the extent and magnitude of the bigotry that all of of the individuals who comprise the LGBT community have encountered. There are also a number of people outside of the LGBT community that do not realize the extent to which anti-LGBT bigotry and language have become enculturated within the general non-LGBT culture.
If there is something that you wish to post and discuss here, please first consider what is written in the above paragraph, and be as sensitive to that as possible when you post in our group. We all want to avoid any misunderstandings to the greatest degree possible.
Thanks.
To malicious intruders:
Be aware that all members of this group are very sensitive to, and experienced with, subtle anti-LGBT posters. If you are a bigot, and you believe that you are so clever that you can get away with posting childish messages containing language, ideas, scenarios, questions, etc., intended as subtle insults to the LGBT community, think again.
We will recognize these types of posts for what they are immediately, and group hosts will block you from this group. Some of our hosts are also members of the MIR, the Malicious Intruder Response team.
If anyone posts here with the primary intention of asserting their right to free speech, and subsequently posts language or ideas that members of the LGBT community and/or LGBT allies find offensive, they will most likely be blocked from this group.
Once again: This is a group, not a forum. Groups often serve as safe havens for members who share similar interests and viewpoints. Individuals who post messages contrary to this group's stated purpose can be excluded from posting in this group.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Definition 7 is
7. Aerospace & Engineering According to plan or design: a nominal flight check.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nominally
WTF?