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ruggerson

(17,483 posts)
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:05 PM Feb 2012

Discussing whether a deceased public figure's life was affected by homophobia

is perfectly appropriate discourse and, one might argue, important in the context of fighting prejudice.

Trying to squelch such discussions is, in and of itself, homophobic and sends a very disturbing message to kids trying to understand their sexuality.

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Discussing whether a deceased public figure's life was affected by homophobia (Original Post) ruggerson Feb 2012 OP
Methinks I missed something... but agreed nonetheless. Fearless Feb 2012 #1
... ruggerson Feb 2012 #2
I see nothing good in that thread HillWilliam Feb 2012 #3
Ehh... I don't hold much faith in the tabloids. Fearless Feb 2012 #4
I don't think this has much to do with the direct "cause of death" either ruggerson Feb 2012 #5
I still think that the mourning process... Fearless Feb 2012 #6
I'm happy that Dolly can get her song back now lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #7
Your one liners are getting tiresome in this group. William769 Feb 2012 #8
I agree! Behind the Aegis Feb 2012 #10
+1 racaulk Feb 2012 #11
Show's how little you know msongs justiceischeap Feb 2012 #9
McClurkin was at her funeral. Jamastiene Feb 2012 #12
I agree. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2012 #13

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
4. Ehh... I don't hold much faith in the tabloids.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:29 PM
Feb 2012

I am curious to see the toxicology results. Yet, I also am uneasy speculating on the cause of death of anyone, be it for LGBT reasons or otherwise. I think that the general argument against this thread would fall into the "too soon" category. People aren't over the mourning process and feel better thinking that the death was an accident/natural at this point and become hostile when others suggest that it may have been totally preventable.

ruggerson

(17,483 posts)
5. I don't think this has much to do with the direct "cause of death" either
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:38 PM
Feb 2012

but discussing whether homophobia impacted her life is legitimate discourse.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
6. I still think that the mourning process...
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 01:50 PM
Feb 2012

has not run it's course... People would rather feel like it was an accident/"act of god" than caused by something preventable.

Here's something on the stages of "loss/grief" that is pertinent...

A lesser known definition of the stages of grief is described by Dr. Roberta Temes in the book, "Living With An Empty Chair - a guide through grief." Temes describes three particular types of behavior exhibited by those suffering from grief and loss. They are:

Numbness (mechanical functioning and social insulation)
Disorganization (intensely painful feelings of loss)
Reorganization (re-entry into a more 'normal' social life.)

http://www.cancersurvivors.org/Coping/end%20term/stages.htm


The first two categories are ones that show people living in a protected world... a defense mechanism designed to cope with great pain. People crave to see the brightest of all possible worlds... that the dead was an amazing, wonderful, flawless person (in any case, not just this one), that they never felt pain or suffering, never hurt, was happy and content from beginning to end.

The most famous example of this I can think of currently is from Walt Whitman...

"O Captain! my Captain! rise up and hear the bells;
Rise up--for you the flag is flung--for you the bugle trills; 10
For you bouquets and ribbon'd wreaths--for you the shores a-crowding;
For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning;
Here Captain! dear father!"


The idealization/idolization of the dead makes people feel good during the grieving process.

FTR, I think that the OP is a valuable story and may be interesting as the details of her death come out and as the years pass... I just don't think they people who are taking issue with it now in the thread are ready for that sort of discussion, that they are still grieving. Personally, I would be proud if she was a LGBTer. Saddened too by what may then have been a cause of death. IMHO it's a sad situation for all concerned, either way.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
9. Show's how little you know msongs
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 04:46 PM
Feb 2012

Dolly will never get her song back and I think she's stated in interviews that "I Will Always Love You" is no longer her song and she's okay with that because it's made her a lot of money.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
12. McClurkin was at her funeral.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 08:00 PM
Feb 2012

If she was possibly gay and trying to hide it, it could have been because of a strong anti-gay sentiment in her family.

It might be too soon, true, but it certainly is something to think about. If she was one of us and suffered because of it, it just makes it all that much more tragic.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
13. I agree.
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 09:34 PM
Feb 2012

Tatchell is sometimes over the top but he's far from crazy and has accomplished more in one lifetime than anyone I can think of.

Besides, it's not the first time Whitney's sexuality has undergone speculation.

Yes, she publicly denied it at one point ... I think it was in the early 90's. But lots of folks deny their sexuality in the interest of personal and professional survival.

It's totally legitimate to speculate. Those who think such speculation is "degrading" are flaunting their own bias. There is nothing degrading about homosexuality.

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