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Related: About this forumA question about the term "fellow"
This just came up in an organization I'm involved with---
A missive was sent to "My fellow astronomers..." and a woman objected that it was sexist and demeaning. Since astronomy, like many sciences, was long a male preserve, this woman objected that this usage of fellow" preserved the idea of male domination of the field. Or some such thing. (It did not help that one wag suggested "Astromettes"
While I do understand that the word does have roots in male bonding, I thought it had gone far beyond that by now. I'm not sure when the President started making speeches to "My fellow Americans", but I suspect it was long after women got the vote. I have also seen quite a bit of the term "fellow feminists" which, if it is indeed not gender-neutral, would be a most curious usage.
I do understand that our language has some vestigial sexism in it, and perhaps more things should change. I also understand that some people are just looking for a fight in the strangest places.
So, is this word "fellow" one that has actually had serious talk about being replaced with something more neutral, or is she being oversensitive?
(And, would this be the right place to ask?)
marym625
(17,997 posts)I never even thought of it as gender specific.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)elleng
(131,436 posts)'a person in the same position, involved in the same activity, or otherwise associated with another.'
We females have enough problems, elevating such as this is harmful and damaging.
KT2000
(20,607 posts)I think we have to get off of singular definitions. A female doctor can become a fellow to study her specialty. She can be granted a fellowship to do so.
A fellow can be a comrade or companion.
A mate to a shoe can be a fellow.
I can say that my fellow members of a group are all females.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)"companion, comrade," c. 1200, from Old English feolaga "partner, one who shares with another," from Old Norse felagi, from fe "money" (see fee) + lag, from a verbal base denoting "lay" (see lay (v.)). The root sense is of fellow is "one who puts down money with another in a joint venture."
Meaning "one of the same kind" is from early 13c.; that of "one of a pair" is from c. 1300. Used familiarly since mid-15c. for "any man, male person," but not etymologically masculine (it is used of women, for example, in Judges xi:37 in the King James version
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fellow
elleng
(131,436 posts)niyad
(113,988 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:42 PM - Edit history (1)
Talkin Gender Neutral Blues
Kristin Lems
2005-01-19
words and music by Kristin Lems c 2005
Story
This talkin blues (or is it a pre-rap?) is in the Woody Guthrie, Arlo Guthrie, and Bob Dylan tradition....musing aloud to a chord progression. The song is printed in the "Feminist Dictionary" and some other places.
Lyrics
I was walkin down the street one day
Reading the signs that passed my way
And after a while I started to see
That none of those words referred to me...
Good will towards men, all men are created equal,
Praise Him!
Well I asked some friends if they agreed
That they felt left out in the things they read
They told me yes, and added some more
And soon we all felt pretty sore
You got your Congressman, spaceman, sideman....
But I never heard of no house husband!
Well some men came by and a fight began to grow:
You girls are so dumb you just dont know,
These here are called generic words
Theyre meant to include both the bees and the birds.
Well gee fellas, how am I supposed to know?
I certainly dont feel included!
Ok said I, if thats so true, Ill just use woman to cover the two
It dont make a difference to us, they said
If you wanna use woman, go right ahead.
I said, "thanks, thats really sisterly of you"
"Glad to see you believe in sportswomanship!"
Now hold your horses, they started to cry.
" I think Ill hold my mares, said I.
Youre leavin all of us guys behind.
"Why no, were all part of womankind.
So dont fret friends, take it like a woman
Youll get used to it, just like we all did! "
niyad
(113,988 posts)in answer to your question, no, she was not overreacting. there is a whole lot more than "vestigial
sexism" in this language. it is so ingrained that most people are completely oblivious to it, and when it is pointed out, we get the "you are just too sensitive, you are overreacting" bs.
think about a term like "madam chairman"--sounds stupid when you break it down, yes? what is wrong with finding, and using, gender-neutral terms? it really is not that hard (unless, of course, you think there is nothing wrong with the sexism of the language.
(just an added, small point. the use of the suffixes "ette" and "ess" are actually diminutives meant to denigrate and make whatever word they are attached to "less than" the actual word.)