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(47,614 posts)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:42 PM Jul 2016

Why Placebos Really Work: The Latest Science

Scientists are finding a growing number of ways placebos appear to bring about real health benefits in patients. The research could someday lead to increased use of placebos—substances that have no apparent pharmaceutical effect—in treatments for common diseases.

Studies have shown that administering placebos reduces pain and symptoms in patients with irritable bowel syndrome and migraines, even when patients know they are taking a placebo. Scientists are exploring if they can get the same result in chronic back pain and cancer-related fatigue. Parkinson’s-disease researchers discovered that stopping patients’ real medication and substituting a placebo continues to ease their symptoms, likely because the body is preconditioned to trigger the same response.

Numerous studies have documented neurobiological effects that placebos have in the brain, resulting in the release of neuromodulators that can help reduce pain and symptoms of illness. New evidence suggests the fake drugs may also affect the body, in particular the immune system, according to an animal study published online in July in the journal Nature Medicine.

“This is not just making it up in your mind. The placebo effect has a biology,” says Ted J. Kaptchuk, director of the Program in Placebo Studies and Therapeutic Encounter at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston and a professor at Harvard Medical School. “The pathways that we know the placebo effects use are the pathways many significant drugs use.”

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The placebos doctors most often prescribe are active drugs but in such low doses that there is no apparent therapeutic benefit, says Walter Brown, a clinical professor of psychiatry at Brown University who wrote “The Placebo Effect in Clinical Practice,” a book published in 2013. Physicians also prescribe vitamins, antibiotics or over-the-counter analgesics, like aspirin. Doctors rarely will prescribe an outright sugar pill.


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http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-placebos-really-work-the-latest-science-1468863413

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What We Know

Placebos cause neurobiological effects in the brain. A new animal study suggests they may also affect the body, especially the immune system.

Patients taken off a real drug and put on a placebo continue to have fewer symptoms, perhaps because the body is preconditioned to continue the same response.

Even when patients know they are getting placebos, the fake drugs reduce migraine pain and symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome. Researchers are testing if they can get the same result in chronic back pain.

Genetic differences appear to make some people more likely to respond to a placebo.

More than half of doctors already prescribe placebos, studies show, especially when there isn’t a suitable remedy on the market.

Placebos usually are vitamin pills, over-the-counter pain relievers or doses of existing medications that are too low to have therapeutic value.


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Why Placebos Really Work: The Latest Science (Original Post) question everything Jul 2016 OP
Hmm. Parkinson's patients benefit from occasional "medical holidays." No placebo needed. Festivito Jul 2016 #1
Nothing new here, at all Warpy Jul 2016 #2
I think that it was assumed that the placebo effect was "in your head." question everything Jul 2016 #3
I don't think real physiological changes due to the placebo effect have been greatly in doubt. Silent3 Jul 2016 #4
Again... CanSocDem Jul 2016 #5
A good book on this ellenrr Aug 2016 #6

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
1. Hmm. Parkinson's patients benefit from occasional "medical holidays." No placebo needed.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jul 2016

If they are saying that giving placebo works better than being honest about not taking actual Parkinson's medication, okay. But, that is not what I see them saying here:

"Parkinson’s-disease researchers discovered that stopping patients’ real medication and substituting a placebo continues to ease their symptoms, likely because the body is preconditioned to trigger the same response."

I just hope it's not big pharmas attempt to sell ineffective pills at the same price.

Warpy

(111,477 posts)
2. Nothing new here, at all
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jul 2016

No one questions the placebo effect, it's why it's built into every double blind study done. What can't be done is predicting who will get the placebo effect and when, only that in any large group of subjects, the percentage who will can be predicted.

Which individuals will experience it can't.

Let me know when they overcome that particular flaw in the model. When and if they can, the placebo effect will be more useful.

question everything

(47,614 posts)
3. I think that it was assumed that the placebo effect was "in your head."
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jul 2016

These studied showed that it actually affect the physiological paths of medicine.

Silent3

(15,451 posts)
4. I don't think real physiological changes due to the placebo effect have been greatly in doubt.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jul 2016

It's important to study the effect to learn to the extent and nature of what placebos can accomplish, and then possibly learn how to replicate those benefits without having to play mind games on patients.

This doesn't mean that the placebo effect isn't "in your head", but that what's "in your head" can have physiological impact, not just an effect on self-rated well being.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
5. Again...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jul 2016


"...What can't be done is predicting who will get the placebo effect and when, only that in any large group of subjects, the percentage who will can be predicted."

In your limited understanding of 'placebos', you think it is only used to determine the efficacy of name-brand drugs. Do some reading.

People are told they are getting a placebo and it still works. The only "flaw" is your model...



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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
6. A good book on this
Mon Aug 1, 2016, 07:39 AM
Aug 2016

is "Cure:A Journey into the Science of Mind over body"

(placebos and other mind-body interactions)

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