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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 09:02 PM Jun 2012

Education and Vaccine Uptake

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/education-and-vaccine-uptake/

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The study also purports to find that the there was an inverse relationship between education level and vaccine use – college-educated mothers were less likely to vaccinate their children. Further, in the 8 years after the Lancet study this gap increased. This education-gap is also in line with previous research, but needs some explanation. We need to distinguish unvaccinated from undervaccinated, and vaccine non-compliance from vaccine refusal. When looking at the undervaccinated, and specifically those who missed scheduled vaccines, this correlates with lower socioeconomic status and less education. This is in line with a more general pattern – the fewer resources a family has the less likely they are to avail themselves of available health care.

However, if you look at those who refuse or delay vaccines as a deliberate choice, there is a positive correlation with the education level of the parents, especially the mother. This may seem paradoxical at first – higher education leading to bad health care decision making, but actually it makes perfect sense. First, let me say that I am taking as a premise that refusing vaccines is a bad decision. For reference just plug in “vaccine” into the search box on this blog and you can read dozens of articles explaining my position. In short, the evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that vaccines are safe and effective and a net health benefit for the vaccinated. Fears over vaccines causing autism or other neurological damage are based upon soundly refuted pseudoscience. So why, then, the reverse correlation with education?

The typical hypothesis, which is plausible but untested (as far as I know), is that higher education levels leads to greater access to information, specifically on the internet, where vaccine fears have largely been spread. If you are not exposed to misinformation about vaccines then you cannot act on that misinformation.

I also think, however, that this is part of a larger phenomenon – a direct relationship between education level and general acceptance of pseudoscience. Prior surveys have found a correlation between higher levels of education and belief in ghosts, ESP, and alien visitations. Education superficially seems to make us more gullible. However, the interpretation of this result, in light of other psychological research, is different than just gullibility. Access to information is likely part of the reason for the correlation between education and belief. Another factor is likely that as we get smarter we get better at justifying our own beliefs. Having an education can make someone more confident in defending their offbeat beliefs, and better able to defend those beliefs from the skeptics.

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If having an "education" meant that you had learned the scientific process in total, that might be a good thing. But, in this world, it does not mean that. Oddly, "education" sometimes makes people think too much of their own knowledge.

Ugh.

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pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
2. Or maybe the more educated parents realize that those vaccine schedules are based on
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 09:51 PM
Jun 2012

the convenience of the doctors and parents rather than on the best outcome for the babies. The standard schedule clumps a bunch of vaccines together, so that the parent has to make the fewest appointments possible, even though this means that if there is a serious reaction, it won't be clear which vaccine caused the problem.

And maybe the more educated parents have access to more up-to- date information, as I did when I took my child to the health department for his killed-virus polio vaccination, because my own doctor's office only offered the live vaccine. By the time my next son was born, the killed virus vaccine had become the standard and I could get it from the pediatrician.

pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
4. You apparently don't understand the reality that the live virus Polio vaccine was
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:28 AM
Jun 2012

replaced by the safer killed vaccine; and that if more than one vaccine is given at a time and side effects occur, it is difficult to determine which vaccine caused the problem.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
5. In other words, you think bringing up the polio vaccine changes reality.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:35 AM
Jun 2012

Sorry, nope.

You also seem to think that no one has studied the vaccine schedule ad nauseum.

Well, you can think what you want. But that doesn't make the "more educated" smarter on this issue.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
8. Like I wrote, you have to chosen to believe what you want.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:50 AM
Jun 2012

When I use the term reality here, it is actually choosing to go with the scientific evidence.


pnwmom

(109,028 posts)
10. Unlike you, I actually read the literature.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 04:15 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2937226/?tool=pubmed

Expert commentary

It is apparent from this review that infant immune responses differ in many ways to adults. Assumptions from animal and adult studies have often proved inappropriate, illustrating the importance of human infant studies. Cord blood studies have demonstrated the immaturity of the immune system at birth but the difficulties and acceptability of venous blood collection make it more difficult to study infant responses. The confounders that affect responses to vaccines include prior infection, sex and nutritional status, and are particularly important in low-income settings. Understanding the mechanisms for these interactions is still limited but is of great importance to vaccine development. Indeed, it is now possible to vaccinate against many life-threatening infectious diseases. However, the downside of this is that in particular settings the number of vaccines delivered to an infant population is extensive and include many multivalent formulations and complicated sequences of vaccines. Thus, more evidence regarding these potential interactions, and their effects on specific vaccine responses, and morbidity and mortality in general is needed. This has been a controversial area of research but is becoming more widely studied within high-infant-mortality settings.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
12. Unlike you, I actually read ALL of the literature.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jun 2012

And I understand the scientific process develops out of a consensus. I understand the value and the lack of value of a single study. I don't push a ridiculous agendas based on single lines pulled from single studies. That's not how science works. In fact, it's called cherry picking to fit your agenda.

Vaccine studies: Examine the evidence
http://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/Documents/vaccinestudies.pdf

momto3

(662 posts)
11. I agree with you.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:53 AM
Jun 2012

I have had a couple of younger friends starting families within the past year. I was surprised that every one of them wanted to extend the vaccination schedule. They all knew the importance of vaccinations - none were anti-vac. When my kids were born, I never thought about it. We had zero problems with the standard schedule. So, I do not know if there is any merit for extending the schedule.

BTW - We are all PhD level scientists at a highly prestigious research institute.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
13. So your friends add anecdotal evidence to the study's outcomes.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:26 AM
Jun 2012

PhDs are meaningless when people can't make an actual risk - benefit analysis.

PS:

Vaccines – Too Few, Too Late
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/vaccines-too-few-too-late/

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
6. Alternative Vaccination Schedules
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:37 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/alternative-vaccination-schedules/

"it was more common for alternative vaccinators to indicate that they themselves (41%) or a friend (15%) had developed the schedule. Among the 36% of respondents who endorsed the “other” response to this query, several indicated in the free-text section that they had “worked with their child’s physician” to develop the alternative schedule."

Thus, we see how many people think far too much of themselves.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
9. New vaccine-scheduling study deals blow to safety fears
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:53 AM
Jun 2012
http://arstechnica.com/science/2010/05/new-vaccine-scheduling-study-deals-blow-to-safety-fears/

Which, of course, begs the question: Why do the more educated among us seem more likely to fall for baseless fear?

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
14. There's education and there's education - many liberal arts majors
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jun 2012

have very little exposure to science and math courses. They learn some accepted facts, but they don't learn how scientists and engineers think. They don't understand why or how yesterday's "fact" is discarded, so as a result, they become skeptical of all current science.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
15. This is the issue.
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jun 2012

The scientific process should be taught to everyone. The value of different types of studies. The concept of plausibility. How consensus develops, etc...

These are things that can be taught at a very young age, but are not.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
18. That was quite a short stay.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jun 2012

And you're not the first short-timer offering up oddness on a thread regarding vaccines in the last week.

Hmm.

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