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babylonsister

(171,094 posts)
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:01 PM Apr 23

Umami. Who has ever

used this word? I never heard of it until a few years ago afaik.

Umami, which is also known as monosodium glutamate is one of the basic five tastes including sweet, sour, salty, and bitter. Umami means “delicious savory taste” in Japanese, and its taste is often described as the meaty, savory deliciousness that deepens flavor.

It's now used often on cooking shows.

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Umami. Who has ever (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 23 OP
Thx very much BOSSHOG Apr 23 #1
Don't equate the two. Geechie Apr 23 #5
Here Here AKwannabe Apr 25 #15
Umami in my mind means depth of flavor. MontanaMama Apr 23 #2
Yup dpibel Apr 23 #3
Umami does NOT equal MSG. Geechie Apr 23 #4
Don't know where/when I first encountered it, but more than a decade ago. RockRaven Apr 23 #6
More than just msg has the umami taste. Msg is just the most common umami additive unblock Apr 23 #7
I use Thai Fish sauce in everything for umami jmbar2 Apr 23 #8
Thanks so much for that tip. I've been needing babylonsister Apr 23 #9
Red Boat brand fish sauce is used by a lot of chefs jmbar2 Apr 24 #12
I first heard it about 15 years ago from Alton Brown's show AZSkiffyGeek Apr 23 #10
I recommend the movie Umami, peacebuzzard Apr 23 #11
OK AKwannabe Apr 25 #16
it was in French. I couldn't turn on subtitles peacebuzzard Apr 25 #18
Other Umami dem in texas Apr 24 #13
Red wine is good AKwannabe Apr 25 #17
I will have to look for that. Was not aware of that condiment. peacebuzzard Apr 25 #19
I don't know how often it's come up in conversation chowmama Apr 24 #14

BOSSHOG

(37,109 posts)
1. Thx very much
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:05 PM
Apr 23

My wife and I scour every store bought food product. If it has MSG it is not welcome in our home. Now we have another word to look for. Gave my wife migraines. Never more.

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
2. Umami in my mind means depth of flavor.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:08 PM
Apr 23

Earthy flavor…Forest floor. Mushrooms. Aged soy sauces. Miso. Maybe even anchovy paste. Anything that gives a dish depth that you might not be able to identify on the front of the palette.

Geechie

(865 posts)
4. Umami does NOT equal MSG.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:13 PM
Apr 23

Look it up. It means “savory,” simply. Some cooks at MSG to achieve Umami, but it’s not the same thing. Where did the quote in boldface come from?

RockRaven

(15,009 posts)
6. Don't know where/when I first encountered it, but more than a decade ago.
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:17 PM
Apr 23

On cooking or cooking adjacent shows, yes, primarily there.

I've also run across it in passing in scientific articles about human genomics and glutamate receptors.

unblock

(52,330 posts)
7. More than just msg has the umami taste. Msg is just the most common umami additive
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:20 PM
Apr 23

Anchovies, tomatoes, mushrooms, fish stock, and others contain glutamates or other amino acids that have the umami taste.

jmbar2

(4,907 posts)
8. I use Thai Fish sauce in everything for umami
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:21 PM
Apr 23

In very small amounts, fish sauce and sweetened rice wine vinegar wake up the flavor in everything.

Usually about a 1/4 tsp fish sauce and 1 TB seasoned rice wine vinegar in
- spag sauce
- soups
- stews
- salad dressings (some)

You can't taste them in those amounts, but the flavors are much brighter.

babylonsister

(171,094 posts)
9. Thanks so much for that tip. I've been needing
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:27 PM
Apr 23

some different spices for a change. Fish sauce and sweetened rice wine vinegar are on my list.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,070 posts)
10. I first heard it about 15 years ago from Alton Brown's show
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 10:37 PM
Apr 23

Mushroom, Parmesan Cheese, soy sauce, carmelized onion, Worcestershire sauce,
Those sort of things have umami. MSG does but you can get it from other places.

peacebuzzard

(5,183 posts)
11. I recommend the movie Umami,
Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:03 PM
Apr 23

It does move a little slowly as an emotional drama unfolds for a popular French chef who is somewhat obsessed.
It was in French with no subtitles when I watched It on a flight but I have started eating lots of Chinese noodles since.
Delicious movie.

peacebuzzard

(5,183 posts)
18. it was in French. I couldn't turn on subtitles
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 07:58 AM
Apr 25

and my college French has had no practice for decades so I just watched the cooking, drama, and scenery. Talk about slow.

just recently the main actor has been charged with an assault. If true, why is it that promising and gifted figures just can't handle being normal?

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
13. Other Umami
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 12:36 AM
Apr 24

Balsamic Vinegar - not the type used for salad dressing, use the thick dark balsamic, great to perk-up the flavor of soups and stews.

And the old kitchen stand-by, worstershire sauce.

peacebuzzard

(5,183 posts)
19. I will have to look for that. Was not aware of that condiment.
Thu Apr 25, 2024, 08:00 AM
Apr 25

although when I looked at the sodium content for the vinegar balsamic I started limiting my use.

chowmama

(414 posts)
14. I don't know how often it's come up in conversation
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 09:55 PM
Apr 24

but I've been aware of it for a while. I think of it as belonging to things that give food a 'meaty' taste. I don't know what causes it, but I assume some type of protein.

Well browned mushrooms. (I don't get a lot from raw mushrooms. but maybe I don't get the right ones.) Well browned eggplant. Both of these also have a sort of meaty texture, as well as taste, so they make a good meat substitute. For flavor, anchovies and anchovy-based sauces like Worcestershire, soy sauces, and such. Most cheeses. Browned tomato paste or sun-drieds.

Anyway, whatever it is, I like it.

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