Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumThe Pugilistic Double Standard of the Pro-Gun Movement
Late last month, the president of the radical pro-gun group Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), Philip Van Cleave, made headlines when he told a WVTF reporter on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day that slapping around your wife was no big deal. Van Cleave was commenting on a bill, SB 510, that would prohibit individuals convicted of stalking, sexual battery, or assault/battery of a family member from possessing firearms for a period of five years following their convictions. "A slap?" Van Cleave asked reporter Sandy Hausman. "That's not a violent thing!" Van Cleave later reiterated this opinion during testimony before the Virginia Senate's Courts of Justice Committee. When asked by Senate Majority Leader Dick Saslaw, "So you think that if you go out and you slap your wife around and all it is is a misdemeanor [conviction], you shouldn't lose your weapon after that. Is that what you're telling me?" "Correct," responded Van Cleave.
A couple days later, pro-gun activists on Twitter reminded us that George Zimmerman did the right thing by killing unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin because he was (theoretically) being punched at the time. So we decided to put a question to them:
"Do you think the punishment for punching someone should be death?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/the-pugilistic-double-sta_b_4780177.html
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)There is nothing theoretical about forensics and eye witnesses proving it. My question for Josh, does he agree with Daryl Parks that someone should endure getting their head pounded on the sidewalk until the cops magically appear?
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)There are the noisy assholes who make the Huffington Post headlines, and then there are the millions upon millions who seek to have adult conversations about further reducing gun violence while strengthening the protections of the Bill of Rights.
But bogeymen are the stuff of the anti-gun movement, so these labels are to be expected.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)penis jokes when they lose in a discussion.
I see he still can not ever comment on his drive by cut and paste posting.
flamin lib
(14,559 posts)choose to consider issues presented. A worthy effort.
Consider, for instance, that the death toll from firearms is the equilant of a fully loaded 747 jumbo jet colliding with a fully loaded Gulf stream every week.
If pilots were regulated like gun owners that would likely happen.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Tobacco users are shamed, shunned and their habit is restricted to fewer and fewer places. Perhaps guns should be treated the same?
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Packerowner740
(676 posts)Is it really our responsibility to do that?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)..apparently it is incumbent upon us to do the heavy lifting. Fortunately,
some of their role models are still available out there for reference:
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Lead poisoning is faster.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)And I haven't managed to kill anyone. Aviation training is complex due to the complexity of flight systems and the rules we have to abide by, also there are many many more ways for things to go wrong in an aircraft than with a gun.
I could teach you how to fly a plane in half a day, what takes longer is teaching a person how to react when things go wrong, why we do things a certain way, and how to interact with the aircraft/airspace around you. Guns are very straight forward, simple to operate, easy to shoot and a few rules will keep you and everyone around you safe, carrying concealed is a bit more complex but not much.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)flamin lib
(14,559 posts)Some of us think so. Seems others do not.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)The devil, as always, is in the details. Many people claim to be "Pro-Gun" yet support a number of gun ownership restrictions of limited utility in reducing criminal gun violence. When questioned, they seem resent having their position questioned and accuse the one asking of "not caring" about gun violence.