Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumPew First: Gun Rights Top Gun Control In Major Public Opinion Shift
Exactly two years after President Obama's bid for gun control following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting died in Congress, a new poll has discovered a huge shift in public opinion to backing Second Amendment gun rights and away from controlling gun ownership.
The reason: Americans now believe having a gun is the best way to protect against crime, 63 percent to 30 percent.
Pew Research Center found that while support for gun control once reached 66 percent, it has dropped to 46 percent while support for gun rights has jumped 52 percent, the highest ever in the past 25 years.
"We are at a moment when most Americans believe crime rates are rising and when most believe gun ownership not gun control makes people safer," said the survey.
To say the shift in opinion is radical is not an understatement. It follows a short period where Americans were torn over gun ownership, but eventually sided with gun rights groups during the Obama years.
more...
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-first-gun-rights-tops-gun-control-in-major-public-opinion-shift/article/2563304
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)1- Some organizations repulsing some people. (Think Bloomberg and Nugent)
2- Unprofessional conduct by the media. (One source parrots the inaccuracies and lies from another)
These issues spread confusion and are offensive.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)When towns start looking like the middle east where every clown is armed, maybe then they'll see their mistake.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Or perhaps you have noticed, but are averse to guns.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)A gun license surge in Massachusetts
Don't worry, we'll do our best to carry on without you...
Logical
(22,457 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)"There will rivers of blood in the street, bodies will be stacked up like cordwood."
The fact is most gun owners are responsible. Less that 1% cause problems.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Cool story bro. Of course, crime is down while pro-2nd Amendment sentiment is up. I haven't seen any rivers of blood in the streets yet.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Lots of hand-wringing about violent crime, "gun crime," criminals with guns, etc., has contributed to the public perceptions of crime; in fact, controllers MUST make the case for out-of-control gun crime to make their case for controls. The result is a petard hoisting that reaches the epic level of a bad bean fart in a good VW. And this is fed right into the bleeds-it-leads MSM. SUCH a dynamic.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Shamash
(597 posts)This survey has come up before on DU (more than once), and every time certain commenters (who will not be named to protect their delicate feelings) sound like they fell out of the ignorance tree and were determined to hit every branch on the way down.
See also:
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/typology-comparison/gun-policy/
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Sorry, someone had to do it...
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discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)... er, probably longer given my DU history.
Be sure to tip the waitstaff...
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appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:19 PM - Edit history (1)
This is just too good of a headline!
K&R for the actual topic,
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NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)purveyor: Exactly two years after President Obama's bid for gun control following the Sandy Hook .. shooting died in Congress, a new poll has discovered a huge shift in public opinion to backing Second Amendment gun rights and away from controlling gun ownership.
A 'new poll'? it was released over 4 months ago, early dec 2014.
Better sit down, Purveyor, & GNs: The research group whose misleading poll question was heavily touted by the media to suggest "growing public support for gun rights" has acknowledged that the question was flawed.. the Pew Research Center released the results of a survey that asked respondents whether it is more important to "control gun ownership" or to "protect the right of Americans to own guns." The poll showed increased support for the gun rights answer and a drop in support for regulating guns.
... But academics from the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research criticized the poll question.., saying that the query forces respondents to choose between two options that are not mutually exclusive and pointing out that polls consistently show broad public backing for specific gun regulations, such as expanding the background check system to make it more difficult for felons and the mentally ill to obtain weapons.
.. "Pew's question presents one side emphasizing the protection of individual rights versus restricting gun ownership. The question's implicit and incorrect assumption is that regulations of gun sales infringe on gun owners' rights and control their ability to own guns,." http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/12/19/pew-admits-flaw-in-poll-being-used-to-attack-st/201960
purveyor: The reason: Americans now believe having a gun is the best way to protect against crime, 63% to 30%.
Gong. Wrong. Non sequitur. Or at least I didn't see that in any poll. Can animals commit crime? Your link: the latest Gallup survey finds that 63% of Americans now say having a gun in the home makes it a safer place compared with 30% who say it makes a home more dangerous. Fifteen years ago, more said the presence of a gun made a home more dangerous (51%) than safer (35%).
survey, says: We are at a moment when most Americans believe crime rates are rising and when most believe gun ownership not gun control makes people safer," said the survey
In other words, those Americans are wrong on both counts.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)prolix
pro·lix
prō-lĭks?, prō?lĭks?
adj.
1. Tediously prolonged; wordy: editing a prolix manuscript.
2. Tending to speak or write at excessive length. See Synonyms at wordy.
[Middle English, from Old French prolixe, from Latin prōlixus, poured forth, extended.]
pro·lix?i·ty
pro-lĭk?sĭ-tē
pro·lix?ly adv.
prolix (proʊˈlɪks, ˈproʊ lɪks)
adj.
1. extended to unnecessary or tedious length; long and wordy.
2. (of a person) given to speaking or writing at great or tedious length.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bafflegab&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/bafflegab
baf·fle·gab
ˈbafəlˌɡab/
noun North American informal
noun: bafflegab
incomprehensible or pretentious language, especially bureaucratic jargon.
"the smooth chairman who had elevated bafflegab to an art form"
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/stop-liking-what-i-dont-like
Stop Liking What I Dont Like! is an expression typically used to mock people
who seem to assert that something is bad,
often in when said remarks are in discussions where this persons sentiment is in the minority.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion
Austin J. Freeley, David L. Steinberg, Argumentation and Debate; Critical Thinking for Reasoned Decision Making (Wadsworth Cengage Learning, Boston, 2009), p. 196
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Mr Barnard: Oh, oh oh I'm sorry, this is "abuse'. You want Room 12-A just along the corridor.
Man: Oh sorry. Thank you very much, sorry, thank you.
(Shuts the door)
Man: Stupid git.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Anyway...Well said, and spot on.