LAPIERRE: Senator, I think without any doubt, if you look at why our founding fathers put it there, they had lived under the tyranny of King George and they wanted to make sure that these free people in this new country would never be subjugated again and have to live under tyranny.

I also think, though, that what people all over the country fear today is being abandoned by their government. If a tornado hits, if a hurricane hits, if a riot occurs that they’re gonna be out there alone. And the only way they’re gonna protect themself (ph) in the cold and the dark, when they’re vulnerable is with a fire arm. And I think that indicates how relevant and essential the Second Amendment is in today’s society to fundamental human survival.

DURBIN: Well, Chief Johnson, you’ve heard it.

The belief of NRA is the Second Amendment has to give American citizens the firepower to fight back against you, against our government.

LAPIERRE: That’s not (OFF-MIKE)

DURBIN: So how do you conduct your business in enforcing the law and not knowing what is behind that door?

J. JOHNSON: I find it to be scary, creepy. And it’s simply just not based on logic. Certainly, law enforcement across this nation is well-prepared to deal with any natural or man-made disaster that will occur. And, frankly, I just -- I can’t relate to that kind of thinking.