Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumIn Texas, it soon could be legal to bring a gun to college
X-posted from the other group.
Legal gun owners in Texas may soon be able to carry concealed firearms on college campuses now that the Legislature has overwhelmingly passed a gun rights bill.
The measure sailed through a final vote on Sunday, two days after lawmakers passed a bill allowing Texans to carry firearms openly throughout the state. Republican Gov. Greg Abbott is expected to sign both bills into law in the coming days.
The so-called Campus Carry measure cleared Texas' House of Representatives by a 98-to-47 vote.
"As a student and a veteran, I appreciate the fact that I will be able to defend myself and my fellow students in the unlikely event that there is an active shooter at my university," CJ Grisham, president and founder of a gun rights' group known as Open Carry Texas, said in a statement on the group's Facebook page. "This is common sense legislation that ensure our students and faculties will now be ... safer having abolished a major gun free, victim spree zone."
The bill would allow licensed gun owners in Texas to carry a concealed handgun while on a college campus. Campus presidents could prohibit carrying weapons in certain areas, but would be barred from establishing blanket provisions to prevent licensed gun owners from carrying their weapons on campus.
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-campus-carry-passes-20150531-story.html
The only post there is asking if there will be higher grades now.
If that were true, then why hasn't that happened in the other states that allow for CC on college campuses?
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Never.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)So far, of all the states and colleges that allow for CCW, there have been ZERO incidents with CCW, so the howls from groups like the VPC, Brady Org., etc, about shoot outs over bad grades, teachers afraid of giving bad grades due to fear of being shot, were all proven wrong.
But you are quite free to send your children to a college of your choice.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I would if I had kids
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)I frankly don't think this is the best idea RKBA advocates have ever come up with.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)so far, it's been a non issue with the colleges that allow for CC, now, IMO, what hurts the 2A movement is open carry, that, to me, is a far more divisive issue.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)In the end, I'm always for the right to self-defense, but I don't think this law is going to grow on me any time soon. It's not that I'm against its passing, but it will be a long time before I'm comfortable with it.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Deleting, apologies.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)then why has it not happened in the state and colleges that do allow for CCW?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)All views are wecome here. You just might have to defend them.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)Simply put. I have my opinions, based on my own experiences and research and reading, but weapons are not particularly interesting to me. Rather than leave a dissenting comment in a forum that I (wrongly) believed would not appreciate it and then walk away without defending it, I prefer not to leave a comment at all.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)and thanks for the honest answer.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Have a great night
exboyfil
(17,867 posts)Dorm rooms are particularly vulnerable to theft.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but most places you need to be 21 to carry. The average CCW holder is probably older. Any freshman would be affected would be older folks returning to school who won't be living in dorms and have better things to do than drinking with the kiddies.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You must also submit a completed application, pay the required fees and submit all of the required supplemental forms and materials.
http://dps.texas.gov/RSD/CHL/faqs/
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Some backers of the open-carry bill wanted to prevent police from stopping someone to check on his/her license to carry, because it would reduce racial & ethnic profiling. That provision failed, however, so police can stop an OC and check on proper license. It will be curious to see how LEO behaves.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Don't know who or how it would be tracked.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)so it provides a gun locker for secure storage.
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GGJohn
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ileus
(15,396 posts)Face I carried enough weigh in college so the LCP fits the bill the best for personal protection without the weight.
Slip it in a pocket holster and in your front pocket.
Telcontar
(660 posts)Other than one German professor, no one even commented on it. It was no big deal.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)go hunting after school was out, just try that these days.
Telcontar
(660 posts)Rural Alabama private school
Gotta love it
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Here in the United States, we define one of our freedoms as that of having firearms and being able to "bear" them. This is an important right because all our rights are important. Our constitution is not a menu -- pick one from column A and one from column B. You buy the whole thing, or you don't buy any of it. Yes, it could lead to massive carnage on some campus. It's quite likely someone will perceive a threat and respond by shooting, and contagious fire will break out. The police do this all the time, and unarmed citizens die in a hail of bullets. And the police have at least some training to assess threats and distinguish between real and false threats. If carrying a concealed handgun becomes popular at Texas colleges, and I think it will on some campuses, there will be a high concentration of armed students ready to start blasting at the slightest provocation. If you think people don't have Dirty Harry fantasies, you don't know many people. If I had to pick a country that should have a 2nd Amendment, I would not pick the United States, but we have what we have.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)or if it has, it is quite rare. So rare, the media forgot about it. The chances of the scenario you describe is not likely to happen for the following reasons:
It hasn't happened in other schools where it is allowed
The min age for a Texas CCW is 21. The training to qualify for one is more stringent than most police departments.
Statistically, cops are less responsible, less law abiding, and more likely to hit an innocent than CCW holders. They are also more likely to be domestic abusers than the general population.
Yes, it could. It is also possible to win the lottery four times in a row. Given the current track record, the probability is about the same.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)that allow for CCW?
Surely by now, this would have happened in CO, ID, UT, WA, etc., but yet, it hasn't.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)...an active shooter would have opened fire and been gunned down at one of the campuses where CCW is allowed. In fact, the odds you will shoot yourself or a friend are tiny, and the odds you will stop a crime are even smaller. Both things are possible, but both are extremely unlikely. Which will happen first? I don't now, but however it goes, state legislatures will go berserk in response.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but then, we know active shooters are likely to avoid places where they are likely to meet such resistance.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)isn't he on "vacation"?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)What I found most amusing was the almost complete lack of support for the alleged calculus teacher from the other gun control extremists.
DonP
(6,185 posts)But he was working pretty hard at being a jerk and when you can be all anti gun and still alienate the gun control fans, that has to be a challenge.
Oh well, he's back to teaching Calculuz, hope it's not in Texas!
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)and with summer break, unless he is teaching a summer class or two, has more then enough time to stir up trouble elsewhere. I wonder what his screen name on DailyKos is?