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GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:35 PM May 2015

In Texas, it soon could be legal to bring a gun to college

X-posted from the other group.


Legal gun owners in Texas may soon be able to carry concealed firearms on college campuses now that the Legislature has overwhelmingly passed a gun rights bill.

The measure sailed through a final vote on Sunday, two days after lawmakers passed a bill allowing Texans to carry firearms openly throughout the state. Republican Gov. Greg Abbott is expected to sign both bills into law in the coming days.

The so-called Campus Carry measure cleared Texas' House of Representatives by a 98-to-47 vote.

"As a student and a veteran, I appreciate the fact that I will be able to defend myself and my fellow students in the unlikely event that there is an active shooter at my university," CJ Grisham, president and founder of a gun rights' group known as Open Carry Texas, said in a statement on the group's Facebook page. "This is common sense legislation that ensure our students and faculties will now be ... safer having abolished a major gun free, victim spree zone."

The bill would allow licensed gun owners in Texas to carry a concealed handgun while on a college campus. Campus presidents could prohibit carrying weapons in certain areas, but would be barred from establishing blanket provisions to prevent licensed gun owners from carrying their weapons on campus.
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-campus-carry-passes-20150531-story.html

The only post there is asking if there will be higher grades now.
If that were true, then why hasn't that happened in the other states that allow for CC on college campuses?
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In Texas, it soon could be legal to bring a gun to college (Original Post) GGJohn May 2015 OP
I wouldn't send my son/daughter to a college in a State with this rule. misterhighwasted May 2015 #1
Fine, your choice, whereas, I would have no problem with it. GGJohn May 2015 #2
Then don't Duckhunter935 May 2015 #3
Even though the anti-gunners make my hair hurt... NaturalHigh May 2015 #4
I myself, don't really have a problem with it, GGJohn May 2015 #5
I just have mixed feelings on it. NaturalHigh May 2015 #10
Fair enough. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #13
Wrong forum. F4lconF16 May 2015 #6
If that were true, GGJohn May 2015 #8
Why did you delete Duckhunter935 May 2015 #11
I'm not interested in debate about guns. F4lconF16 May 2015 #14
Fair enough, GGJohn May 2015 #15
Thank you Duckhunter935 May 2015 #16
What concerns me is security of firearm in a dorm setting exboyfil May 2015 #7
The college's that do allow CCW provide firearms lockers for those that choose to CC. eom. GGJohn May 2015 #9
That's good to know. NaturalHigh May 2015 #12
I don't know about Texas gejohnston May 2015 #17
Yep 21 Duckhunter935 May 2015 #18
In Texas there was a curious division among minorities and Democrats... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #36
Yes, it will be interesting Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #39
The split on the police stop issue was for the most part intra-Democratic Party. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #41
My daughter's school has a lot of students that hunt hack89 Jun 2015 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #19
Welcome to DU dmf777. GGJohn Jun 2015 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #21
I recommend the LCP. ileus Jun 2015 #23
Used to carry a rifle to class when i went to Auburn Telcontar Jun 2015 #24
In High School, we used to bring our hunting rifles to school, we'd either hunt before classes, or GGJohn Jun 2015 #25
Still happens at my son's school Telcontar Jun 2015 #26
Price of Freedom HassleCat Jun 2015 #27
Yet it has never happened gejohnston Jun 2015 #28
Well then, please explain why this hasn't happened at the other states and colleges GGJohn Jun 2015 #29
Surely by now... HassleCat Jun 2015 #31
Actually, it may have happened gejohnston Jun 2015 #32
Is there an exception for calculus class? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #30
LOL Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #33
Yep, a long vacation. GGJohn Jun 2015 #34
On vacation from here and Discussionist until July I believe Lurks Often Jun 2015 #35
I thought, with the looser guidelines, it was hard to get kicked off Discussionist? DonP Jun 2015 #37
He lasted all of 17 days over there Lurks Often Jun 2015 #38
Lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #40

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
2. Fine, your choice, whereas, I would have no problem with it.
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:42 PM
May 2015

So far, of all the states and colleges that allow for CCW, there have been ZERO incidents with CCW, so the howls from groups like the VPC, Brady Org., etc, about shoot outs over bad grades, teachers afraid of giving bad grades due to fear of being shot, were all proven wrong.
But you are quite free to send your children to a college of your choice.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
4. Even though the anti-gunners make my hair hurt...
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:01 PM
May 2015

I frankly don't think this is the best idea RKBA advocates have ever come up with.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
5. I myself, don't really have a problem with it,
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:03 PM
May 2015

so far, it's been a non issue with the colleges that allow for CC, now, IMO, what hurts the 2A movement is open carry, that, to me, is a far more divisive issue.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
10. I just have mixed feelings on it.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:09 PM
May 2015

In the end, I'm always for the right to self-defense, but I don't think this law is going to grow on me any time soon. It's not that I'm against its passing, but it will be a long time before I'm comfortable with it.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
14. I'm not interested in debate about guns.
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:18 PM
May 2015

Simply put. I have my opinions, based on my own experiences and research and reading, but weapons are not particularly interesting to me. Rather than leave a dissenting comment in a forum that I (wrongly) believed would not appreciate it and then walk away without defending it, I prefer not to leave a comment at all.

exboyfil

(17,867 posts)
7. What concerns me is security of firearm in a dorm setting
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:06 PM
May 2015

Dorm rooms are particularly vulnerable to theft.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
17. I don't know about Texas
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:10 PM
May 2015

but most places you need to be 21 to carry. The average CCW holder is probably older. Any freshman would be affected would be older folks returning to school who won't be living in dorms and have better things to do than drinking with the kiddies.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
18. Yep 21
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:20 PM
May 2015
The Concealed Handgun Law sets out the eligibility criteria that must be met. Applicants must be at least 21 years of age (unless active duty military) and must meet Federal qualifications to purchase a handgun. A number of factors may make you ineligible to obtain a license, such as: felony convictions and some misdemeanor convictions, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication; pending criminal charges; chemical or alcohol dependency; certain types of psychological diagnoses protective or restraining orders, and defaults on state or city taxes, governmental fees, or child support. Eligibility requirements can be found in GC §411.172.

You must also submit a completed application, pay the required fees and submit all of the required supplemental forms and materials.


http://dps.texas.gov/RSD/CHL/faqs/
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
36. In Texas there was a curious division among minorities and Democrats...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jun 2015

Some backers of the open-carry bill wanted to prevent police from stopping someone to check on his/her license to carry, because it would reduce racial & ethnic profiling. That provision failed, however, so police can stop an OC and check on proper license. It will be curious to see how LEO behaves.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
22. My daughter's school has a lot of students that hunt
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 06:29 AM
Jun 2015

so it provides a gun locker for secure storage.

Response to GGJohn (Original post)

Response to GGJohn (Reply #20)

ileus

(15,396 posts)
23. I recommend the LCP.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:06 AM
Jun 2015

Face I carried enough weigh in college so the LCP fits the bill the best for personal protection without the weight.

Slip it in a pocket holster and in your front pocket.


 

Telcontar

(660 posts)
24. Used to carry a rifle to class when i went to Auburn
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jun 2015

Other than one German professor, no one even commented on it. It was no big deal.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
25. In High School, we used to bring our hunting rifles to school, we'd either hunt before classes, or
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:53 PM
Jun 2015

go hunting after school was out, just try that these days.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
27. Price of Freedom
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:22 PM
Jun 2015

Here in the United States, we define one of our freedoms as that of having firearms and being able to "bear" them. This is an important right because all our rights are important. Our constitution is not a menu -- pick one from column A and one from column B. You buy the whole thing, or you don't buy any of it. Yes, it could lead to massive carnage on some campus. It's quite likely someone will perceive a threat and respond by shooting, and contagious fire will break out. The police do this all the time, and unarmed citizens die in a hail of bullets. And the police have at least some training to assess threats and distinguish between real and false threats. If carrying a concealed handgun becomes popular at Texas colleges, and I think it will on some campuses, there will be a high concentration of armed students ready to start blasting at the slightest provocation. If you think people don't have Dirty Harry fantasies, you don't know many people. If I had to pick a country that should have a 2nd Amendment, I would not pick the United States, but we have what we have.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
28. Yet it has never happened
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jun 2015

or if it has, it is quite rare. So rare, the media forgot about it. The chances of the scenario you describe is not likely to happen for the following reasons:
It hasn't happened in other schools where it is allowed
The min age for a Texas CCW is 21. The training to qualify for one is more stringent than most police departments.
Statistically, cops are less responsible, less law abiding, and more likely to hit an innocent than CCW holders. They are also more likely to be domestic abusers than the general population.
Yes, it could. It is also possible to win the lottery four times in a row. Given the current track record, the probability is about the same.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
29. Well then, please explain why this hasn't happened at the other states and colleges
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jun 2015

that allow for CCW?
Surely by now, this would have happened in CO, ID, UT, WA, etc., but yet, it hasn't.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
31. Surely by now...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jun 2015

...an active shooter would have opened fire and been gunned down at one of the campuses where CCW is allowed. In fact, the odds you will shoot yourself or a friend are tiny, and the odds you will stop a crime are even smaller. Both things are possible, but both are extremely unlikely. Which will happen first? I don't now, but however it goes, state legislatures will go berserk in response.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
32. Actually, it may have happened
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jun 2015

but then, we know active shooters are likely to avoid places where they are likely to meet such resistance.

In fact, the odds you will shoot yourself or a friend are tiny, and the odds you will stop a crime are even smaller.
Actually, the best peer reviewed studies to day say otherwise. Actually, if you use the made up numbers from Everytown's "research director", several more times more crimes stopped.
 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
35. On vacation from here and Discussionist until July I believe
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:20 AM
Jun 2015

What I found most amusing was the almost complete lack of support for the alleged calculus teacher from the other gun control extremists.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
37. I thought, with the looser guidelines, it was hard to get kicked off Discussionist?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:12 PM
Jun 2015

But he was working pretty hard at being a jerk and when you can be all anti gun and still alienate the gun control fans, that has to be a challenge.

Oh well, he's back to teaching Calculuz, hope it's not in Texas!

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
38. He lasted all of 17 days over there
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:01 PM
Jun 2015

and with summer break, unless he is teaching a summer class or two, has more then enough time to stir up trouble elsewhere. I wonder what his screen name on DailyKos is?

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