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http://www.theindychannel.com/news/30498875/detail.htmlINDIANAPOLIS -- An increasing number of women are packing heat, arming themselves with handguns, according to a Gallup survey. Personal protection is the main reason for the uptick, but it's not an easy decision. Many women who bear arms are also taking lessons on how to use them, RTV6's Derrik Thomas reported.
The firearms industry is targeting the new market of female buyers, making pink guns, pink ear protection and weapons for petite hands, among other changes. "We have a joke in the industry that all men are born with the John Wayne chromosome," said Bob Meyer, a gun safety instructor. "They think they can shoot from birth, and a woman is more willing to listen."
Jo Johnson is an example of the 23 percent of American women who told Gallup they own a gun, up from 13 percent in 2005. Indiana State Police said more than 50,000 Hoosier women have received gun permits over the last three years.
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ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Funny how that cycle works.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Whereas I fully recognize that if I were to be the victim of violence, it would almost certainly be at the hands of a man, regardless of how well-armed women had recently become.
And in any case, it will be difficult as a practical matter for me to become much better armed than I am already...!
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...to say we have a problem with domestic violence in our society and that one should not make light of violence in the home. Let's not pretend all the violence between the sexes is all one way, after all - revenge can be a real *****.
If one is to believe your rantings, you are excessively and insanely armed. In fact, you seem to have dedicated much of your life to the needless acquisition of weapons of war in lieu of performing good works that might actually benefit someone or something besides your own amusement. But I would state, that as another recently departed poster declared: "you should always share your used toys with those less fortunate..." - ship those excess puppies off to India and Egypt where they can use them!
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)I'm just guessing, mind you...5 to 1 men to women vs. women to men?
If one is to believe your rantings, you are excessively and insanely armed.
Define excessive and insanely.
In fact, you seem to have dedicated much of your life to the needless acquisition of weapons of war
Who cares about "need"? I wanted them, and that's enough. As for them primarily being weapons of war...guilty! Military weapons have so much more history than civilian ones, that I simply find them to be inherently more interesting.
in lieu of performing good works that might actually benefit someone or something besides your own amusement.
They are benefiting someone...me! Just as the money I invest in gold and silver bullion does as well, so it's for much more than my own amusement. They're one heck of an investment.
But I would state, that as another recently departed poster declared: "you should always share your used toys with those less fortunate..." - ship those excess puppies off to India and Egypt where they can use them!
But then I wouldn't have them!
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...and so clearly we are in for more dead men if the women are now becoming armed!
"Define excessive and insanely." - 100 guns sitting collecting dust in a safe is bonkers. What are you, the Smithsonian? Seriously, as someone who has spent a substantial portion of his life being formally schooled in the study of history we have a word for people like you: buff. You are a weapons buff, whatever interest you derive from them is like a child to trinkets - you might as well be collecting matchbox cars. At least those don't blow anyone's head the fuck off! Try sharing - seriously, it will make you feel better. Life is not about accumulating as many possessions as one can in order to humor and enrich one's self.
This is what I love about you Soldier of Fortune types, you are so self sure that your way, the American Way, is the only proper way of life. I might ask you this: how do you possibly take joy and pleasure in being someone who needs to pile up guns you have no real use for merely to pleasure yourself. I'm going to do you a favor and recommend a literary work to you, something healthy to do besides playing with your guns, I give you the: Lysistrata by Aristophanes - please indulge yourself in some real culture, because the gun nut think clearly isn't helping your personality, in that, you come off as a greedy, self-centered, dilettante - those are hardly charming qualities a human being.
Rid-yourself of your chains and try to live charitably. Do try and develop a sense of grace, old chap.
(Note to jury: if this was a personal attack it would not be so well-phrased).
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)having a few more dead men is fine with me.
"Define excessive and insanely." - 100 guns sitting collecting dust in a safe is bonkers. What are you, the Smithsonian?
I'm aiming more for the Cody Firearms Museum, which houses the most comprehensive collection of American firearms in the world. I've visited it a couple of times on my way to Yellowstone. Not surprisingly, it's one of my favorite museums!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Firearms_Museum#Cody_Firearms_Museum
(Good grief, is that a Dardick revolver 5th from the top? I don't remember that, and have never seen one for sale at a gun show!
Seriously, as someone who has spent a substantial portion of his life being formally schooled in the study of history we have a word for people like you: buff.
I think that's a perfectly reasonable term.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/buff
One who is enthusiastic and knowledgeable about a subject
It's the first time I've seen it used as a pejorative, though...
You are a weapons buff, whatever interest you derive from them is like a child to trinkets - you might as well be collecting matchbox cars. At least those don't blow anyone's head the fuck off!
What's wrong with collecting? I actually know a guy who collects matchbox cars. It's not my cup of tea, but I don't begrudge him his hobby. As for being a buff, here are car buffs, Civil War buffs, film buffs, football buffs...what in the world is wrong with being a gun buff?
Try sharing - seriously, it will make you feel better.
I do share with friends and family.
Life is not about accumulating as many possessions as one can in order to humor and enrich one's self.
(looking around in horror...) It's not? You've just destroyed my entire worldview! Well, you can just rock me to sleep tonight...
Seriously, though, while that's not while life is all about, it's certainly part of it!
This is what I love about you Soldier of Fortune types, you are so self sure that your way, the American Way, is the only proper way of life.
"Soldier of Fortune type"? As Bugs Bunny used to say, "He don't know me very well, do he?" Rest assured that I have not the slightest delusion regarding my ability hire myself out as a mercenary or play Rambo. I'm a competent shooter, and I have a fairly broad knowledge base regarding small arms...that's it!
I might ask you this: how do you possibly take joy and pleasure in being someone who needs to pile up guns you have no real use for merely to pleasure yourself.
The same way a coin collector takes joy a pleasure piling up coins that he has no real use for merely to pleasure himself.
When one has as interest in a particular subject, it's fun to collect objects associated with that interest.
Is this actually such a foreign concept to you? That's rather....odd, to say the least.
I'm going to do you a favor and recommend a literary work to you, something healthy to do besides playing with your guns, I give you the: Lysistrata by Aristophanes - please indulge yourself in some real culture
Oh, real culture at last! How have I survived all this time in the wasteland of my 8,000 book library? And no, they're not all books on guns. Those only fill half a dozen bookshelves! Then there are all the books on military technology, war in general (heavy emphasis on WW2), wartime propaganda, general history, Disneyana (I'm a bit of a Disney buff as well!), animation, astronomy, paleontology, transportation technology, roleplaying games (especially GURPS and Call of Cthulhu), film, pinup art, science fiction art, graphic novels (comic buff!), and a few thousand science fiction, fantasy, and horror novels.
Yeah...I'm a nerd.
Tell you what, I will give Lysistrata a look, although I'm in the middle of reading Stephen Baxter's Xeelee sequence right now. Can't recommend it highly enough, the scope of the series is fantastic, with an emphasis on speculative cosmology staring with the first few picoseconds after the Big Bang and not ending until proton decay starts being a concern 10 to the 80th power years in the future.
Now that's what I call literature!
because the gun nut think clearly isn't helping your personality, in that, you come off as a greedy, self-centered, dilettante - those are hardly charming qualities a human being.
Greedy? I suppose some would characterize it so. My definition of greed is someone who's willing to give you the shirt of someone else's back. I'm certainly not greedy in that sense.
Self-Centered? As I humbly pointed out earlier, I'm generous to friends and family.
Dilettante? In regards to the subject at hand, I think I have more than a dabbler's knowledge of firearms.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...more dead people = good.
You're not a museum dude - you're just a tool who spends too much time obsessing over his menagerie. Frankly, all those guns do belong in a museum!
Keep living a fantasy life:
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)If all these women are now exercising their right to bear arms where they didn't in the past, it is quite likely that at least a few of them will have defend themselves against male attackers at some point in the future, and will do so with the firearms they have acquired. This will likely result in some number (impossible to say how many, of course) dead men.
What part of what I just said is incorrect, if any? Please, be specific.
Frankly, all those guns do belong in a museum!
Your opinion has been noted. You may rest assured that it will be given all the due respect it deserves.
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Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)As for your little, er, screed...you sound bitter. Rather than trying to psychoanalyze me, perhaps a bit of self-reflection is in order...yes?
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Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Donchaknow.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)What's wrong with being a buff? Lots of people collect lots of different things. Some people collect insects. Some people collect coins. Some people collect cars. Some people collect stamps. Some people collect toys. Some people collect knives. Some people collect guns.
There is nothing wrong with any of these endeavors.
I might ask you this: how do you possibly take joy and pleasure in being someone who needs to pile up guns you have no real use for merely to pleasure yourself.
There is nothing wrong with buying or collecting things for pleasure. Especially since for a lot of people their collections are not just an indulgence in pleasure, but are an investment. Firearms hold their value exceedingly well. And in the event of restrictive laws, their value skyrockets. Moreover, firearms have value even in the absence of the availability of cash, for use in bartering.
In any case, there is nothing wrong with owning nice things.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Sounds really interesting.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)I've been collecting (mainly) military firearms for the last 25 years of so. I started with mainly an emphasis on military rifles, but lately I've been concentrating on handguns. Most of it's not too pricey...I usually aim for guns in the $500 to $1000 range, always trying to get the best condition possible. Prices being equal, I'd rather have a gun in 98% condition than a rarer gun in 50%. At this point I have representative rifles and handguns from most of the players in WW1 & WW2. Some of the nicer ones include:
Inglis High-Power, Chinese marked with stock.
Australian SMLE .303 heavy-barreled target rifle with Parker-Hale multi-colored sight.
A really cherry French M1873 11mm revolver with 50 rounds of ammo(!).
Webley Mk VI .455 still in the original caliber.
That sort of thing...
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)1 1/8" round barrel with a Parker-Hale 3 stop peep sight. Trigger that breaks like glass at 3#, Mauser style action. No longer made as the factory in Joberg was nationalized.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Got that gold and silver thing going on too. Probably want to get rid of the Federal Reserve. What's going on Johnny? Any social commitment happening in your life?
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Of course this is the best of all possible worlds. I'm in it.
Got that gold and silver thing going on too.
And buying gold and silver is bad...why exactly? You'll have to help on this one, because I can't think of a single reason.
Probably want to get rid of the Federal Reserve.
Nope. Next question?
What's going on Johnny? Any social commitment happening in your life?
I'm not a very social person. So what?
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)The guns, gold and silver fit the classic "prepper" profile. The not being social reinforces it. Personal safety trumps public safety, right?
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Sound reasons to buy them, yes? As for being a "prepper"...certainly not in the full sense of the word. I think it's prudent to have enough supplies in the house to last at least a month in the event of natural or man-made disaster...something with which these websites seem to agree:
www.ready.gov
www.fema.gov
I certainly am not preparing to live in a Mad Max-esque post-holocaust apocalypse.
(I was amused when someone on another board admitted that they were better prepared for a zombie apocalypse than a tornado...and they lived in tornado country!)
Personal safety trumps public safety, right?
Not if my personal safety endangers the public at large, no. For the life of me I can't imagine how it does or could, though.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)nationalize it!
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Let's face it... with most violent criminals being young men, many of which travel in pairs or more, guns are not needed (generally) to successfully attack and subdue a woman for robbery or rape.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...more women seem to be packing heat! I would need to see some statistics on the use of weapons by men in robberies/assaults against women before we concluded that this in fact the case.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)That it's better for everybody to be unarmed, even if it means women are at a disadvantage?
The reality is that most criminals, even if they are armed, will NOT attempt to commit a crime against an armed person. After all, even if you ALSO have a gun, it takes only one bullet to make you dead or in prison. Better to commit a crime without that risk, like trying to hotwire a car. That's why only about one in four burglaries in the US are "hot" burglaries, where the homeowner is there at the time, as opposed to someplace like the UK, where two out of three are "hot" burglaries.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...the excessive arming of male society via the gun culture creates "loose guns" that are obtained by criminal elements and used to create suffering.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Burglary in Common Law and in the UK must be committed at night, when a person's face cannot be discerned by natural light. Some states in the US have less strict definitions. Most dwellings are occupied at night, which raises the "hot" definition in the UK.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)We need some form of "birth control" for this crud.
ileus
(15,396 posts)SD purposes are so one dimensional....there are so many wonderful uses for the firearm other than as a safety device.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Since we are repeatedly assured by gun control supporters that guns are increasingly less popular and there are fewer gun owners all the time, you must mean that a very small handful of Indiana women are buying more guns to carry.
Of course, if that were factual I'm sure the wiser heads that represent gun control policies would just be sitting back and smiling knowing that the trends were all in their favor.
Just like they've recently discovered that the NRA really has no political power, so they have all stopped foaming at the mouth every time the acronym comes up.
But with Illinois FOID cards jumping by almost 200,000 over prior year applications, it's probably just people wanting more than 1 FOID card or folks with no intention of ever actually buying a gun going through the tedious application and 8+ week waiting process.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Which proves that women will tell Gallup anything to get them off the phone. WTF is a woman going to say when some stranger calls them and asks if they own a gun. What a totally bullshit poll. Maybe 2.3%. Sounds more realistic.
SteveW
(754 posts)"...women will tell Gallup anything to get them off the phone."
and
"WTF is a woman going to say when some stranger [Gallup Organization] calls them and asks if they own a gun[?]"
Why don't you ask some women who own guns what they think, instead of speculating on what they think? At least Gallup bothered to ask.
When (if ever) do survey organizations meet your grade? When they agree with you?
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)I've met and all kinds of women, all over this country, from the backwoods of Appallachia to the big cities. Never met one that owns, let alone carries a handgun. (Shotguns, occasionally, yes, and for good reason). And this survey claims 1 in 4 women now own a gun. Sorry, not buying. Mind you, I wouldn't blame them for owning a gun, considering how many asshole men are out there with guns.
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)Because I practice, practice, practice...
An armed woman thwarted a gas station robbery in Monticello this past week.