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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:41 AM Aug 2015

‘Self defense’ takes a bloody toll in Florida

The guns were kept for safety. For security. To protect home and family. What a dreadful toll that conceit has exacted from Florida families.

On Wednesday, in northwestern Miami-Dade County, Florida’s great firearms delusion was once again undone by tragic reality, when a 14-year-old boy and three teenage friends were fooling around with the pistol he had found in his parent’s bedroom. The errant gunshot killed 15-year-old Jakyri Fleurimar.

Two weeks before, a similar scenario unfolded a few miles north in suburban Cooper City. A 14-year-old boy was unable to resist the allure of his stepfather’s pistol. The shot killed 14-year-old Charlie Martin.

In the past few weeks, other Florida kids discovered their parents’ firearms and the statistical probabilities trumped all that home safety propaganda pushed by the gun lobby. In Plant City, a 9-year-old boy took a bullet to the face after he and his 11-year-old brother found where their mother had stashed her .45 caliber semiautomatic pistol.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/fred-grimm/article31185092.html
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GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
1. That ain't self defense,
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:54 AM
Aug 2015

it's parents being irresponsible, and statistically speaking, it's a minute amount of parents not exercising safe storage.

Now, what's your comments on this thread?

Nitram

(22,811 posts)
2. GG, why don't you call it "guns sold to stupid people?"
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 01:44 PM
Aug 2015

We obviously need a way to filter out idiots who want to buy guns. Require a rigorous course on gun safety, use and maintenance as a prerequisite for purchasing a gun, including a minimum number or rang-hours under the supervision of a licensed instructor.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
3. We also need a way to...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 02:00 PM
Aug 2015

...filter them out of the voting pool.
That might eliminate some of the more stupid laws.
An IQ test ought to be required of those running for office, too.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
7. Hmmm, that sounds like an idea I could get behind.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 09:13 PM
Aug 2015

I'd like to see the details first, but it's a good idea.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
4. Wonder if the writer knows this wasn't self defense?
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 02:08 PM
Aug 2015

This is why training kids to shoot and know the rules early is so important.

By 5 or 6 both my kids knew better than these kids...that's what you get when you keep something a mysterious secret

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
5. Little data on trends in gun homicides, accidents, suicides, other than the usual Hemenway stuff...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 02:16 PM
Aug 2015

Sounds like the periodic posting of standard gun-control diatribe by the Herald et al.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
10. Here ya go, typical Chicago weekend: - "Weekend shooting toll in Chicago: 4 dead, 33 wounded"
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:14 AM
Aug 2015

"Four people were killed and at least 33 were wounded in shootings citywide from Friday evening through Monday morning, police said. The shootings this weekend bring the year's total to at least 1,789, according to an analysis of a Chicago Tribune database on city shootings. That's an increase of more than 200 over last year and more than 350 over 2013, according to Tribune data. The city has also seen more murders, according to a Tribune database on homicides: At least 294 were slaying victims through Monday morning this year, 41 more than last year and 24 more than 2013."

But ... that was just the weekend. From today's Tribune:

"Two men were shot to death in less than half an hour within eight blocks of each other on the West Side, and at least 11 other people were wounded in shootings in Chicago Monday through early Tuesday, police said."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shooting-violence-20150817-story.html

Funny, no posts from the usual suspects demanding something or other.

Latest reports fail to mention if any of the shooters had FOID cards or Concealed Carry permits.

Now I just wait for the usual stupidity suggesting this is all because, well ... Indiana!

Nitram

(22,811 posts)
9. As for the title, guns are kept in the home for the purpose of self-defense.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:15 AM
Aug 2015

The title is correct. The NRA uses self-defense as the rational for blocking all regulations on gun ownership and use.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
11. Nonsense.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:42 AM
Aug 2015
The NRA uses self-defense as the rational for blocking all regulations on gun ownership and use.


Nonsense. Pure unadulterated nonsense.

Nitram

(22,811 posts)
12. beevul, I'm a member (required by my range membership) and I read the crap they mail me daily
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:48 AM
Aug 2015

But you'd have to be a cave-dwelling hermit not to know that every solution to gun violence offered by the NRA is based on universal gun ownership in the name of SELF-DEFENSE. A gun in every home for SELF DEFENSE. A carry permit in every wallet for SELF DEFENSE.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
13. You have a problem with self defense?
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:08 AM
Aug 2015
But you'd have to be a cave-dwelling hermit not to know that every solution to gun violence offered by the NRA is based on universal gun ownership in the name of SELF-DEFENSE. A gun in every home for SELF DEFENSE. A carry permit in every wallet for SELF DEFENSE.


First, You have a problem with self defense? Why do you own a gun or spend time at the range with it?

Second, Please show me where the nra pushes to have the prohibited person category eliminated. You did say universal ,right?

Third, 'every home'? This is a deliberately misleading inaccurate factually untrue characterization of reality, and you knew it was when you made it.

The NRA uses self-defense as the rational for blocking all regulations on gun ownership and use.


That was the original post by you, that I take issue with. I take issue with it, because its contrary to reality. If it were true, there would be no laws on gun ownership and use. But since we all know (even cave dwelling hermits) that there are rules on gun ownership and use, in spades, its simply plainly and obviously, a false representation of reality.

On edit: You may wish to check out the other group, if you seek a venue where such misrepresentations go unchallenged.

Nitram

(22,811 posts)
14. Beevul, feel free to escape my inconvenient oservations by leaving the group if you wish
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:36 PM
Aug 2015

You conveniently ignore the fact that the article on which we are commenting pointed out that it was a gun, kept in the home for SELF DEFENSE, that resulted in the death of a child. Please read my comment above regarding what we could do to keep guns out of the hands of ignorant people with no knowledge of basic gun safety.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
15. ROFL
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:58 PM
Aug 2015
You conveniently ignore the fact that the article on which we are commenting pointed out that it was a gun, kept in the home for SELF DEFENSE, that resulted in the death of a child.


Whos this 'we'? I was accurately commenting about the content of a post you made, nothing more, nothing less.

And I will do so whenever and however I feel like it.

Beevul, feel free to escape my inconvenient oservations by leaving the group if you wish


How about you feel free to escape my inconvenient observations about your post, by making it mesh with reality in some fashion.

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