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Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:55 PM Aug 2015

As gun-carrying permits reach historic levels in Minnesota, related crimes remain in check

http://www.startribune.com/as-gun-carrying-permits-reach-historic-levels-in-minnesota-related-crimes-remain-in-check/322600721/

A record 200,000 Minnesotans now have permits to carry handguns, an increasingly diverse group that includes two men who recently made split-second, life-altering decisions to fire their weapons.

In 2003, the year Minnesota passed its permit-to-carry law, 15,000 five-year permits were issued. The number issued annually then decreased for several years. But by 2014, 184,985 Minnesotans held permits. Today, one in 20 Minnesotans has a permit, 19 percent of them women.

Opponents had feared that the law would lead to a surge in shootings and gun deaths. But Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data show that fatalities involving permit holders are rare. In the past five years, there have been five deadly or nonlethal instances of justifiable use of a firearm by permit holders.

From 2013 to 2014, gun crimes reported to the BCA involving permit owners dropped in half. While the numbers may not tell the full story — law enforcement can’t track all gun owners who flash weapons only if needed for self-defense — gun rights advocates say they’re telling.


Hope this isn't too local.
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As gun-carrying permits reach historic levels in Minnesota, related crimes remain in check (Original Post) Brickbat Aug 2015 OP
Does not seem to be Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #1
"Opponents had feared" - I'm confused DonP Aug 2015 #2
In AZ, as you know, we have constitutional carry, GGJohn Aug 2015 #3
Is anybody from Georgia still alive? Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #4
Now we have a definitive answer to the gun control question ... DonP Aug 2015 #6
I work in GA, I have yet to see... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #7
I work and live in GA blueridge3210 Aug 2015 #8
Atlanta, near coca cola discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #9
About 45 min south on I-75. Near the outlet mall. (nt) blueridge3210 Aug 2015 #11
I'm in town for about 75% of the work week discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #12
And how did FL move into #3, population-wise? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #14
Quite the fair story sarisataka Aug 2015 #5
I was impressed, myself. Brickbat Aug 2015 #10
Percentages of MN-carry over all, and women-carry seem in line with Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #13
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
2. "Opponents had feared" - I'm confused
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:44 PM
Aug 2015

I thought we were the ones that were always afraid?

Why are the newspapers always "surprised" when the "blood doesn't run in the streets" after they pass CCW?

We're starting to get that in Illinois now. First from the LEO that opposed it, when they realize that violent crime didn't go up. Then from the media when they get around to assigning a reporter to do a follow up story.

It's like they totally ignore all the other states that have gone through it. Here they treated it like Illinois was doing this great "experiment" to see if the "citizens could be trusted".

Then nothing happens and they are surprised. Too bad they just can't be honest enough to say "we were wrong" and we were right all along.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
3. In AZ, as you know, we have constitutional carry,
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:50 PM
Aug 2015

the anti's went fucking berserk when it passed, predicting that the state would be red with rivers of blood, so far, nothing of the sort has happened, yet they won't admit they were wrong, they keep saying any day now.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
4. Is anybody from Georgia still alive?
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:06 PM
Aug 2015

From what I've heard from some, the guns would have killed everyone by now.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
6. Now we have a definitive answer to the gun control question ...
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:14 PM
Aug 2015

Every time a state passes more liberal gun laws we see the same posts from the same "less informed" people; "What could possibly go wrong?"

I guess it's supposed to be sarcastic and snotty?

We heard it for Georgia, Arizona, Texas, Florida, Illinois, etc.

But it seems the answer, based on the reality, is; "Nothing you big dummy!"

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
8. I work and live in GA
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:30 PM
Aug 2015

and I have seen weapons carried by those that do not appear to be off-duty LEOs. While not ubiquitous, they are seen. (What part of GA?)

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
12. I'm in town for about 75% of the work week
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 04:11 PM
Aug 2015

I'm home near Philly on weekends and about 1 week in 4. When I'm there, I'm usually working 10-11 hour days and stay at hotels between Downtown and Buckhead. I've never been much further South than the airport.

I missed the OC at the terminal character. Sat in traffic near GA Tech during the Pres's visit a few months back.

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)
5. Quite the fair story
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:07 PM
Aug 2015

especially from the Strib which was a leader of the "blood in the streets" brigade

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
13. Percentages of MN-carry over all, and women-carry seem in line with
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 02:24 PM
Aug 2015

national averages. Attendant low crime rates as well.

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