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Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 10:34 AM Nov 2015

Oregon gun control group releases holiday wish list.

Waiting periods, smart guns, futuristic "safety" and tracking features for guns, "assault weapon" bans, magazine capacity bans, national universal background checks, and a number of other fantasy world provisions.

http://media.oregonlive.com/mapes/other/ceasefireoregonplan.pdf

Thankfully, none of this rubbish will see as much as a committee vote in congress anytime soon.

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Oregon gun control group releases holiday wish list. (Original Post) Kang Colby Nov 2015 OP
I wonder if this is the final tipping point we've all heard so much about. n/t shadowrider Nov 2015 #1
It could be. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #2
Sound like a good plan SecularMotion Nov 2015 #3
All rubbish. You forgot the best part though... Kang Colby Nov 2015 #5
I can't agree with the "all crap" assertion. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #6
So some of those proposals are worth discussing TeddyR Nov 2015 #12
I'm fine with background checks. NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #4
Not one single talking point in that article will actually reduce crime. Silicosys4 Nov 2015 #7
How does "gun ownership" differ from "legal gun ownership"? SecularMotion Nov 2015 #8
Why don't *you* tell us, in your own words? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #9
Merry Christmas Oregonceasefire: beevul Nov 2015 #10
Lofty and expensive goals. beardown Nov 2015 #11
The training thing TeddyR Nov 2015 #13
Totally agree. beardown Nov 2015 #14
 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
2. It could be.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 10:43 AM
Nov 2015

Daniel Webster is making his list, checking it twice, gonna find out if his proposal is sugar and spice...or delusional.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
3. Sound like a good plan
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 10:46 AM
Nov 2015
The plan has three overarching goals:
● Require higher standards for firearm ownership.
● Enhance accountability of federally licensed firearm dealers (FFLs).
● Improve safety standards for firearms and firearm ownership

Recommendations for requiring higher standards for gun ownership include (1) national universal background checks for all firearm sales; (2) prohibition of gun ownership for 10 years if a person has multiple offenses involving misdemeanor violence, alcohol or drug abuse, domestic violence, a domestic violence restraining order or serious juvenile offense. (3) secure weapons storage; and (4) standardized training for concealed handgun license applicants that includes marksmanship proficiency, active shooter training, and conflict resolution.

Ceasefire Oregon supports Dr. Webster’s recommendations to reduce gun violence by enhancing accountability of federally licensed firearms dealers (FFLs). The pipeline of crime guns can be stopped by (1) requiring security cameras, computerized sales inventory, and other anti-theft measures as are required by other purveyors of dangerous substances such as pharmacies; (2) limiting gun purchases to one gun per month to reduce trafficking and straw purchases; (3) repealing the Gekas amendment of the 1994 Brady Bill that allows FFLs to sell a gun without a background check if the check is not complete in three business days; and (4) imposing a waiting period of two weeks between time of sale and possession to deter suicide and impulse shootings.

Affordable and effective technology exists today that would improve safety standards for guns and gun ownership. This includes (1) a microstamped code on each bullet that links it to a specific gun; (2) magazine disconnect mechanisms (MDM) that prevent a gun from loading a bullet in the chamber; (3) loaded chamber indicator (LCI or CLI) to show that bullets are still in the gun; and (4) “smart guns” with Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) or biometric recognition (fingerprint) capability.
 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
5. All rubbish. You forgot the best part though...
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 11:40 AM
Nov 2015
The funding would be generated by a tax on each gun sale and on every box of bullets purchased.

To reduce the high number of people killed in mass shootings, the sale and possession of military-style rifles and high-capacity magazines should be banned.
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
6. I can't agree with the "all crap" assertion.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:49 PM
Nov 2015

I don't have any big problems with most of the first paragraph. Legally mandating some of the things in the fourth point would be a problem, but those are things anyone planning to carry concealed should do on their own, with the possible exception of conflict resolution training (because a lot of people simply don't need instruction on how not to be a dick in a conflict situation).

The rest is nonsense, obviously.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
12. So some of those proposals are worth discussing
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:42 AM
Nov 2015

For example, I think training is a good idea for handgun owners that would go some way towards preventing accidental shootings, but would do nothing to cut down on suicides or murders.

Other though not so much. Why should someone with multiple misdemeanor alcohol convictions be banned from owning a gun? I fail to see any relationship between that law and preventing any type of gun violence. I also say no to "safe storage" laws, which are largely unenforceable in any event. A waiting period of two weeks is a non-starter.

My handgun already has a loaded chamber indicator. My understanding is that the smart gun technology isn't particularly good, but if one that is designed that works I wouldn't be opposed to it.

 

Silicosys4

(26 posts)
7. Not one single talking point in that article will actually reduce crime.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 02:25 PM
Nov 2015

In fact, there is only one, number 2 in paragraph 1, that I'd even agree with.
The rest is just BS meant to impede legal gun ownership. Not one thing with the exception of the aforementioned, impacts criminals at all.

beardown

(363 posts)
11. Lofty and expensive goals.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:00 AM
Nov 2015

"...legislative and educational, that could reduce gun violence by 30 to 50 percent in five years."

The additional training and target practice and conflict resolution sounds great. Securing guns, safer too. Add in mental health funding for the small 4 percent figure they cite for mentally ill people committing violent crime. Microstamped code on each bullet. I assume they mean casing. Normally, you can allow for non-technical terminology in layman discussions, but this is a big error for a group trying to propose significant legislative changes and don't know the difference or don't care.

Terminology aside, all these things cost money and more importantly for many gun owners, time. Works out great for me as I'm upper middle class income with a flexible schedule. Second best gun fight is one where you are the only person with a gun. Not so much for a single mom or lower wage guy working two jobs, neither of which provide paid time off. Maybe we could help defray the costs by imposing a poll tax to vote?

I'm strongly in favor of the additional training and it will surely move the average CC person into well regulated militia territory. So if society is supposed to benefit by this proposal for a significant increase in training and re-establishing the oft times referenced well regulated militia, society should help pay for it and include legislation where gun training and training time will have some sort of reimbursement from the State as last time I checked the police, national guard, etc. were paid and supplied.

Most of the rest I see as incremental gun confiscation and yet once again the average gun owner is treated as second class citizen as police are generally exempted from the microstamped casing regs.

Finally, what if after three years gun violence has not dropped by a rate that will reach their 30 to 50 percent goal in 5 years? Automatic sun setting clause? Buy back of all the high tech guns and bullets? I'll bet that decriminalizing drugs would reduce the gun violence rate by more than all the measures combined.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
13. The training thing
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:46 AM
Nov 2015

Is a good idea. To be honest, there are a lot of people who own guns that probably should not, and not because they are criminals but because they are careless and irresponsible. Training might help those folks avoid accidentally shooting themselves or someone else.

beardown

(363 posts)
14. Totally agree.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:23 PM
Nov 2015

On gun specific solutions, it's one of my top priorities that I'd like to see a higher standard and more resources and one that you can get both sides of the issue on board with. However, you can't set such high standards that only rich white guys wind up being able to maintain their training status or be able to afford guns and bullets. The Oregon proposal certainly has the whiff of this with training on a scale of police and taxes on bullets and guns to support not only the training, but mental health resources. The old Chris Rock routine of the $1,000 bullet. However, if you want to push for police like training levels (by the way, some police units have lousy gun qualification standards) then you are entering the well regulated militia arena and the State should pony up money to support this well regulated militia training.

Having a gun is a serious responsibility, especially if someone is a CC, and the better trained and safer and more aware of the legal standing of gun usage the better it is for gun owners and the general public.


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