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Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:54 PM Nov 2015

A Thanksgiving miracle. Obama signs new gun legislation.

Thankfully, it was all pro-2A. The CMP is now authorized to sell military surplus semi-automatic handguns to civilians (M1911/1911A1s), the EPA is banned from attempting to regulate lead bullets, and military officials have some flexibility in arming personnel at recruiting centers and other sites.

I've posted about the need for CMP handgun sales before, but I did not think it would happen anytime soon. Earlier this year the Department of Army and DOJ issued a white paper expressing concern with the potential program, yet we were still able to get it done politically. The concerns documented in the white paper were entirely unfounded.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/11/25/breaking-news-it-is-now-law-the-cmp-can-sell-1911s-to-the-public-a-thanksgiving-day-miracle/

There are potentially 100,000 .45 caliber military surplus handguns that could become available for civilian purchase through this program. The first year, only 10,000 will be transferred. Hopefully next year we can get the .22 caliber training pistols and the .38 specials added to the program.

I wonder if this is what the controllers meant when they were urging Obama to take executive action on gun control last week. I somehow doubt it.

Get yours soon! They must ship from CMP to your FFL.

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A Thanksgiving miracle. Obama signs new gun legislation. (Original Post) Kang Colby Nov 2015 OP
Fantastic. GGJohn Nov 2015 #1
Right on. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #2
That's good news. DashOneBravo Nov 2015 #3
Nothing on the CMP web site yet. DonP Nov 2015 #4
Would love to get one of these. I don't belong to a gun club but understand you can join some Waldorf Nov 2015 #7
I haven't gone that route, but probably will. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #11
It's going to take awhile. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #15
Cool, I will have to check it out Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #5
I've been waitin' for the typical poutrage on this issue from the usual subjects .. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #6
!! pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #14
Hey look! It's the wmd from that one guy's signature! linuxman Nov 2015 #8
They have historical interest, but ... Straw Man Nov 2015 #9
Most of them have been; "Rode hard and put up wet" DonP Nov 2015 #13
I have a Randall .45 stainless littlewolf Nov 2015 #10
I would love one the these in my collection. NT canosoviejo Nov 2015 #12
My 80+ year old father bought an M1 Garand through this program. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #16
They were Lurks Often Dec 2015 #18
If they follow the pattern, the way they did with the Garands and Carbines ... DonP Dec 2015 #19
It is likely CMP will follow the same process for the 1911's Lurks Often Dec 2015 #20
yes they do test fire them as a final function test. oneshooter Dec 2015 #21
It isn't that he really wanted to. oneshooter Dec 2015 #17

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
1. Fantastic.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:08 PM
Nov 2015

I'll be looking forward to acquiring a piece of history.
In Vietnam, the .45 was a part of my survival kit I carried as a helo pilot, we had the choice of the .38 or the .45, needless to say, I opted for the .45.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
2. Right on.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:18 PM
Nov 2015

Believe it or not, I don't own a 1911 yet. I would love to get one of these CMP guns, fire a few rounds of .45 acp ball through it at the range, and put it in the safe for future generations to treasure. A true piece of United States history.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
4. Nothing on the CMP web site yet.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:51 PM
Nov 2015

I need to check that all my paperwork on file there is up to date.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
7. Would love to get one of these. I don't belong to a gun club but understand you can join some
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:09 AM
Nov 2015

online ones to get by on that requirement. Anybody you know go that route?

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
11. I haven't gone that route, but probably will.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:41 AM
Nov 2015

My understanding is that the M1 Collectors Club is an online membership. http://www.m1collectorsclub.com/

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
15. It's going to take awhile.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:37 PM
Nov 2015

I imagine we won't see these for sale for several years. But this legislation is a "good first step" to quote the gun control crowd. CMP has over 200,000 existing customers, so 10,000 1911s per year will sell quickly.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
6. I've been waitin' for the typical poutrage on this issue from the usual subjects ..
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 01:03 AM
Nov 2015

But Bloomberg has not sent out marching orders on this issue yet, since he has not the "usual subjects" have no idea they should be poutraged.

Straw Man

(6,626 posts)
9. They have historical interest, but ...
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:19 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:56 AM - Edit history (1)

... if you're looking for a 1911 just to shoot, you can do much better on the consumer market. Most likely these will show quite a bit of wear and will have been arsenal-refurbished multiple times. I wouldn't expect matching serial numbers or anything like that.

Still, very cool. And I might have to get one to keep my Garand company -- if the price is right.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
13. Most of them have been; "Rode hard and put up wet"
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:00 PM
Nov 2015

The original military .45 had a relatively loose slide to frame fit, to allow for it being dropped in the mud, wiped off and keep shooting. That was part of Browning's original design.

Over time that got even looser from those tens of thousands of rounds fired. I'm guessing some, if not most, of these are gonna be in rough shape, like some of the Garands were. But every scratch and gouge is history.

Some Special Ops units had requisitioned some of the old .45s in the '90's and totally rebuilt them on the original frame, all new slides, new springs, sights, rails etc., but I'm pretty sure none of those are going to Anniston or CMP North.

I'll get in line as soon as the rules show up. For the history value. Maybe I'll get lucky and get a Singer Sewing Machine Company 1911?

Kind of like the Rockola Juke Box Company M-1 Carbines. They had a lot of "odd"companies making the 1911 over the two wars it was carried in.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
10. I have a Randall .45 stainless
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:53 AM
Nov 2015

but would love to get one of these.
this would give me 2 guns to hang on the wall.
I have a working gun Glock 21 .45 acp
and the Springfield xd 45 3.3
love both systems.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
16. My 80+ year old father bought an M1 Garand through this program.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:52 PM
Nov 2015

I know he would also purchase a 1911 pistol. I wonder if any of these guns were WWII service pistols.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
18. They were
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:59 PM
Dec 2015

Supposedly the US military did not buy any 1911's after WWII.

And CMP is going to have re-build most of them if they are anything like the worn out junk I had in 1993 in the National Guard. The one I qualified on wouldn't go a full magazine without jamming.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
19. If they follow the pattern, the way they did with the Garands and Carbines ...
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:59 PM
Dec 2015

They'll safety check every gun; manual safety, grip safety, Out of Battery function etc.

Sort them by manufacturer to help set prices.

Check for the level of muzzle wear on the barrel and rate the wear.

Field strip and examine each major component and springs for damage or wear.

Perform basic function tests.

Replace any broken parts and scrap unsafe or non-functioning guns for parts.

Probably sold with one magazine, like the Granads with 1 clip or the Carbines with 1 ten round magazine.

I don't believe they test fire them.

Got 2 Garands, 2 Carbines and 1 '03 from the CMP. (Have the issue history on the Garands too; 1 went to the 1st Fleet Marine Force in 1943, 1 to the Big Red One in 1944) All are better shooters than I am.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
21. yes they do test fire them as a final function test.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:57 AM
Dec 2015

A full clip from the Garand, five rounds from the Carbine. They will probably fire at least 5 rounds from each 45.

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