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Archae

(46,343 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:11 PM Apr 2018

Wisconsin family is suing school over pro-gun T-shirts.

The story was on a Milwaukee station yesterday, and something just doesn't smell right.

The kid seems over-eager to get attention, and during the segment, the parents made sure to be filmed in front of tons of stuff that said "Jesus" on it.

Wisconsin student sues school district over ban on his gun T-shirts

MARKESAN, Wis. (WISN) - A Wisconsin student is suing his school over his gun T-shirt.
The teen said the principal banned him from wearing it, which he says is violating his right to free speech.
"I didn't think it would get this big, this bad," Matthew Schoenecker said.

Matthew is a Markesan High School freshman and has run head-on into the principal, over his shirts depicting guns and other weapons.
"I enjoy shooting, and I enjoy the Second Amendment, like the right to keep and bear arms," Matthew said.
Matthew and his parents were told before spring break that he could no longer come to school wearing a T-shirt portraying guns, bombs or grenades. When he went to school Friday with a gun T-shirt on, he was sent directly to the principal's office.

http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Wisconsin-student-sues-school-district-over-ban-on-his-gun-T-shirts-479365043.html

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Wisconsin family is suing school over pro-gun T-shirts. (Original Post) Archae Apr 2018 OP
The lawsuit is being funded by Wisconsin Carry, a gun rights group. lkinwi Apr 2018 #1
What is wrong with this country?!!! DemocracyMouse Apr 2018 #2
tasked with maintaining an organized, civilized school not to oppress, but to foster learning and gejohnston Apr 2018 #4
Running around with a gun, or a picture of a gun, is disturbing and uncivilized. DemocracyMouse Apr 2018 #6
is disturbing and "uncivilized" in gejohnston Apr 2018 #7
You have a low bar for how you want children to be brought up. DemocracyMouse Apr 2018 #8
I prefer kids to think for themselves gejohnston Apr 2018 #9
Two simple questions sarisataka Apr 2018 #3
have to disagree with one thing, gejohnston Apr 2018 #5

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
2. What is wrong with this country?!!!
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 10:35 PM
Apr 2018

1) A principle is tasked with maintaining an organized, civilized school – not to oppress, but to foster learning and contemplation.

2) The 2nd Amendment is predicated on a well-regulated militia, not an all-bullets-akimbo situation.

Both involve a well-regulated environment. Everything that stupid T-shirt represents is backwards and ridiculous. Grow up Republicans! Stop the idiocy.

Thank you.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
4. tasked with maintaining an organized, civilized school not to oppress, but to foster learning and
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:00 AM
Apr 2018

No. The principal is tasked with educating and ensuring that the staff is neutral with it comes to all things political and religious. Any staff member who doesn't get it, or violates it, should be immediately and publicly fired. Take last month's walk outs. As long as it was students acting on their own with no encouragement (or discouragement outside of a blanket "yes" or "no" from administration), its all good. With that precedent set, any variation from school staff on other causes should not be tolerated.
The same should apply to public colleges. Doesn't matter if I agree with the cause or not.
Well regulated meant well functioning.

I don't believe in dress codes. My support for the kid has nothing to do with my opinion on guns.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
6. Running around with a gun, or a picture of a gun, is disturbing and uncivilized.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:10 AM
Apr 2018

...and therefore the adults tasked with running a school or a country should use their common sense on the matter. I think you're overcomplicating the issue.

Also, I was drawing attention to parallel idiocies. Our gun policies are not congruent with the constitutional mandate to foster a "well regulated militia". Letting a child disturband threaten with a gun T-shirt does not foster a learning environment.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
7. is disturbing and "uncivilized" in
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 01:27 AM
Apr 2018

only in your opinion.

Our gun policies are not congruent with the constitutional mandate to foster a "well regulated militia".
The BoR is a mandate to protect individual rights from government repression. The BoR restrains the State. The collective right claim did not exist until the 1930s and does not exist outside of Brady Campaign propaganda.

Also, "well regulated" meant well functioning.
http://guncite.com/gc2ndana.html

Letting a child disturband threaten with a gun T-shirt does not foster a learning environment.
Anyone who feels threated by picture on a tee shirt should seek counseling.

Your first "idiocy" is counter to the founding documents, Enlightenment thinking (like Natural Law Theory) that inspired the founders, and history. Your second is just absurd.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
8. You have a low bar for how you want children to be brought up.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:17 AM
Apr 2018

There is a world of difference between a school setting standards of behavior and what you seem to be suggesting.

Interesting how this ties into the Facebook culture problem –and their dragging their feet so long to pay editors to oversee the swill that's been circulating – the lies and distortions flooding in from Russia and its Trumpian allies.

Am I threatened by such drek? By propaganda? You betcha. Look what it's done to Russia and beginning to do to us.

Time for some adults (caring people) to say: "Kiddo, no you can't wear that provocative gun on your T-shirt." Time to stand up for civilization. Sorry, I don't want children (and their unfiltered corporate/violent computer game ethos) running the school. We have dumbed down enough.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

And "well-regulated," even if you twist it into "well functioning," still isn't congruent with the poorly regulated, massacre-rich gun situation of today.

Ban the assault rifles and bump stocks. Tell the kids to focus on their homework and not their vanity. And treat Facebook as a virtual education environment requiring some oversight by educated adults. (And call Zuckerberg's parents and implore them to send him back to college to finish his education, preferably down the road at MIT where Noam Chomsky teaches.)

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
9. I prefer kids to think for themselves
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:37 AM
Apr 2018

it is either a free country or it isn't.

There is a world of difference between a school setting standards of behavior and what you seem to be suggesting.
no there isn't.

Interesting how this ties into the Facebook culture problem –and their dragging their feet so long to pay editors to oversee the swill that's been circulating – the lies and distortions flooding in from Russia and its Trumpian allies.
Corporate censorship is no different than government censorship.

Am I threatened by such drek? By propaganda? You betcha. Look what it's done to Russia and beginning to do to us.
Russia is a Alex Jones level conspiracy theory.

Time for some adults (caring people) to say: "Kiddo, no you can't wear that provocative gun on your T-shirt." Time to stand up for civilization. Sorry, I don't want children (and their unfiltered corporate/violent computer game ethos) running the school. We have dumbed down enough.
Ideolology and telling kids what to think, not how to think is dumbing kids down. That and teaching to the test.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance
. True.

And "well-regulated," even if you twist it into "well functioning," still isn't congruent with the poorly regulated, massacre-rich gun situation of today.
Schools are safer now than 30 years ago. We are also one of the safest countries.


Ban the assault rifles and bump stocks. Tell the kids to focus on their homework and not their vanity. And treat Facebook as a virtual education environment requiring some oversight by educated adults. (And call Zuckerberg's parents and implore them to send him back to college to finish his education, preferably down the road at MIT where Noam Chomsky teaches.)
Assault rifles have been pretty much been banned since the 1930s, and I doubt you know what a bump stock is. Noam "Pol Pot did nothing wrong" Chomsky. Brilliant linquist but his political commentary is half baked and contradictory.

sarisataka

(18,755 posts)
3. Two simple questions
Wed Apr 11, 2018, 11:15 PM
Apr 2018

-What is the school's dress code?

-if such attire is prohibited by the code, how have other violators been treated- better, equal or worse than he was treated?

Free speech is on your time; schools may limit it on their time.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
5. have to disagree with one thing,
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 12:04 AM
Apr 2018

free speech all the time. I don't believe in BoR free zones.
Your second question is a valid one. Political bias should be treated like religious bias. Any discrimination/indoctrination should result in immediate and public termination.

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