Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumVenezuela bans private gun ownership
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18288430Venezuela has brought a new gun law into effect which bans the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition. Until now, anyone with a gun permit could buy arms from a private company. Under the new law, only the army, police and certain groups like security companies will be able to buy arms from the state-owned weapons manufacturer and importer. The ban is the latest attempt by the government to improve security and cut crime ahead of elections in October. Venezuela saw more than 18,000 murders last year and the capital, Caracas, is thought to be one of the most dangerous cities in Latin America.
The government has been running a gun amnesty in the run-up to the introduction of the new law to try to encourage people to give up their illegal arms without fear of consequences. One member of the public in Caracas told the BBC: "They're killing people every day. This law is important but they need to do more, they're not doing enough now.
Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians, but his opponents say the police and government may not have the capacity or the will to enforce the new law. Criminal violence is set to be a major issue in presidential elections later in the year. Campaign group The Venezuela Violence Observatory said last year that violence has risen steadily since Mr Chavez took office in 1999.
Several Latin American countries have murder rates far higher than the global average of 6.9 murders per 100,000 people. According to a recent United Nations report, South America, Central America and the Caribbean have the highest rates of murder by firearms in the world. It found that over 70% of all homicides in South America are as a results of guns - in Western Europe, the figure was closer to 25%.
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)This kind of stuff usually precedes something worse.
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)Totalitarian regimes always ban guns. Actually, they waited longer than would be suspected.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Those poor, pitiful people.
SGMRTDARMY
(599 posts)Can't have private citizens owning firearms, only Chavez the Thug's private army and military can have them.
spin
(17,493 posts)Gun politics in the United Kingdom
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History of gun control in the United Kingdom
There were growing concerns in the sixteenth century over the use of guns and crossbows. Four acts were imposed to restrict their use.
The Bill of Rights restated the ancient rights of the people to have arms by reinstating the right of Protestants to have arms after they had been illegally disarmed by James II. The bill follows closely the Declaration of Rights made in Parliament in February 1689.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#History_of_gun_control_in_the_United_Kingdom
If you take the time to read the entire history of gun control in the United Kingdom you will discover that British citizens are called subjects for a damn good reason.
Although the term "British subject" now has a very restrictive statutory definition in the United Kingdom, and it would therefore be incorrect to describe a British citizen as a British subject, the concept of a "subject" is still recognised by the law, and the terms "the Queen's subjects", "Her Majesty's subjects", etc., continue to be used in British legal discourse.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_subject
I have never heard an American citizen called a subject. In our nation that would be considered an insult.
Are you a citizen or a subject
By: Nick Sorrentino | Culpeper Star-Exponent
Published: May 24, 2012
ts a good question. Most people probably would consider themselves a citizen, were Americans after all, not subjects of a crown.
But whats the difference?
Simply, citizens have rights- subjects have privileges. A citizen is free. A subject lives at the pleasure of the sovereign.
But being a citizen implies an element of respect from the government. Citizens, we are told are ultimately in control in our constitutional republic.
http://www2.starexponent.com/news/2012/may/24/are-you-citizen-or-subject-ar-1938302/
While the United Kingdom has often restricted firearm ownership for its subjects the United States has a long history of protecting the right of its citizens to own firearms and even carry them. While there are areas and cities in the United States such as Illinois or California, King Daley's Chicago or Bloomberg's New York City where the laws make it difficult to own firearms, the trend is that even these areas will eventually be far more firearm friendly and will stop treating their citizens as second class.
hack89
(39,171 posts)what does guns on the street have to do with Hugo's gun grab? He is banning all private ownership.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/sweden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Besides, 28th means nothing. Iraq had the 4th largest military according to the war mongers. Did them little good.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)have as many or close to it gun owner per capita as we do.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and your point is what?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)SGMRTDARMY
(599 posts)And banning guns in this country will never happen.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Australia's partial ban is recent. Either way, the promised drop in violent crime and suicide did not happen.
ileus
(15,396 posts)or is that Progressive?
Fredjust
(52 posts)SGMRTDARMY
(599 posts)ain't never going to happen.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)
Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians, but his opponents say the police and government may not have the capacity or the will to enforce the new law
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18288430
Venezuela has about 29 million people and an estimated 2 to 4 million firearms in civilian hands. (sources:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/35766.htm
http://www.insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/1608-venezuela-tries-to-curb-increasingly-trigger-happy-culture)
The United States has a population over 300 million people and the number of firearms in civilian hands is estimated at somewhere around 270 million firearms.
U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people
GENEVA | Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:57pm EDT
(Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said.
U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idUSL2834893820070828
If it may be difficult to disarm Venezuelan citizens it would probably be even more difficult to disarm American citizens.
It is true that few in our nation who favor stronger gun control actually want to ban all firearms, however there are some who feel "assault rifles" or handguns should be banned.
Record-Low 26% in U.S. Favor Handgun Ban
Support for stricter gun laws in general is lowest Gallup has measured
by Jeffrey M. Jones
October 26, 2011
PRINCETON, NJ -- A record-low 26% of Americans favor a legal ban on the possession of handguns in the United States other than by police and other authorized people. When Gallup first asked Americans this question in 1959, 60% favored banning handguns. But since 1975, the majority of Americans have opposed such a measure, with opposition around 70% in recent years.
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For the first time, Gallup finds greater opposition to than support for a ban on semiautomatic guns or assault rifles, 53% to 43%. In the initial asking of this question in 1996, the numbers were nearly reversed, with 57% for and 42% against an assault rifle ban. Congress passed such a ban in 1994, but the law expired when Congress did not act to renew it in 2004. Around the time the law expired, Americans were about evenly divided in their views.
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Democrats, Eastern residents, members of gun non-owning households, and women were among the few subgroups to favor a ban on handguns in 1991, but now no key subgroup has a majority in favor. Those with guns in their household are least likely to favor a handgun ban.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150341/record-low-favor-handgun-ban.aspx
Clames
(2,038 posts)...when their violence rates are still the same it will be just one more example of the failure such gun-control measures are. It won't shut up the usual suspects but it will at least take away that much more credibility from their arguments.
Meiko
(1,076 posts)is there anyone else here who thinks there are going to be any elections in October. My guess is that ole' Hugo has already selected his replacement, the next El Presidente for life, violence will of course ensue but with the sheep being disarmed the whole process will be a lot easier. Just some different thoughts on the subject.
mvccd1000
(1,534 posts)... I spent some time in Caracas in the early 90s - it was a cool city then.