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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:10 AM Jun 2012

Gun data dispute heading to court

CHERRY HILL — A more than year-long Courier-Post effort to gain access to data pertaining to guns used in crimes and recovered in Camden continues in court.

Attorneys for the newspaper and the New Jersey State Police now are expected to face off at a Superior Court hearing on Aug. 10. The dispute began last spring, after Courier-Post reporters attempted to report on the origin of guns wielded by criminals in Camden.

The reporters initially filed requests under the Open Public Records Act for gun-trace data from the state police.

The newspaper sued in March after being denied access to the records, arguing the state police had wrongly denied the request.

http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20120620/NEWS01/306200021/Gun-data-dispute-heading-court

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Gun data dispute heading to court (Original Post) SecularMotion Jun 2012 OP
Strange article; what's your take on that? mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #1
Couldn't they just redact the safeinOhio Jun 2012 #2
If they redact the names ManiacJoe Jun 2012 #3
It would only identify the last legal owner of the gun, not the last owner. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #4
Last recorded owner, actually. ManiacJoe Jun 2012 #5
I'm always sort of torn on things like this: I favor open government, and think petronius Jun 2012 #6
You don't want the newspaper publishing a list of gun owners. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #7

mvccd1000

(1,534 posts)
1. Strange article; what's your take on that?
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:57 AM
Jun 2012

New Jersey is a notoriously strong gun-control state (or anti-civil rights state, depending on which side of the argument you stand on). The newspaper is trying to further that position, and the state seems to be fighting it. What gives there?

I think ALL of us, pro-rights or pro-control, would prefer to have all the data at hand.

petronius

(26,614 posts)
6. I'm always sort of torn on things like this: I favor open government, and think
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:28 PM
Jun 2012

government secrecy should be limited to the smallest extent that is demonstrably necessary. On the other hand, I feel strongly about privacy for individual citizens, even for records that aren't specifically protected by law.

In this case, it seems that the records could be released with the individual names replaced by a unique code, and specific addresses truncated to town or zip code. That way the paper could do whatever aggregating and analysis it wanted, but the individuals' privacy would be maintained.

Although I suppose the paper wants to contact the last recorded owners and ask how the firearms left their possession - in that case maybe an order mandating the release of the info could require the paper to subsequently destroy and never reveal the identifying info. Or the identified owners could be allowed to 'opt-in' to being specifically revealed to the paper.

It's also possible that the police really are using some of the info to investigate illegal activity - straw sales, for example - in which case the data should be kept under wraps until the investigation is complete...

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
7. You don't want the newspaper publishing a list of gun owners.
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jun 2012

These are people who probably already had guns stolen from them. The last thing you want to do is publish a list of people it's easy to steal guns from.

I'm all for publishing the gun source data as long as it doesn't publish actual names or other identifying information.

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