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GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:50 PM Jun 2012

Oak Park, Chicago, must pay NRA’s attorney fees

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:20 AM - Edit history (2)

http://oakpark.suntimes.com/news/5756944-418/oak-park-chicago-liable-for-nras-attorney-fees.html

Oak Park and Chicago are liable for “reasonable” attorney fees incurred by the National Rifle Association and other plaintiffs in their lawsuits against the two municipalities, according to the 7th U.S. District Court of Appeals ruling last week.

In its ruling, written by Justice Frank Easterbrook, the appeals court held that the NRA was “a prevailing party” in National Rifle Association v City of Chicago and Village of Oak Park, and as such, was legally entitled to recover attorney costs from the two municipalities.

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“This is a Second Amendment victory and a civil rights victory,” Chris W. Cox stated in a NRA press release. “The National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment prevailed against those who sought to deny the right to keep and bear arms in Chicago and Oak Park. The attempt to avoid paying the NRA’s attorneys’ fees was rightly found to be unjust by the Court.”

Cox also vowed that the NRA would continue to oppose Oak Park and Chicago’s efforts to regulate handguns “until the Second Amendment is fully respected.”

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Chicago had tried to squirm out of paying the NRA by claiming that under a technicality the NRA didn't really win the case. So now they will have to pay the NRA for the original fees plus the fees for this suit.
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Oak Park, Chicago, must pay NRA’s attorney fees (Original Post) GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 OP
Great, I'll be sending my dues this week to safeinOhio Jun 2012 #1
Another cut to worthy programs to pay off lobbyists and organizations Hoyt Jun 2012 #2
I actually agree with you on one thing gejohnston Jun 2012 #3
But you supported fighting the NRA on this.... krispos42 Jun 2012 #4
However you want to view it. I don't think we should applaud organizations promoting Obama's defeat. Hoyt Jun 2012 #5
Should be applaud organizations that support Obama's re-election? krispos42 Jun 2012 #6
If BA is committed to Obama, yes. If bank is just hedging their bets and contributing to both - NO. Hoyt Jun 2012 #9
People that support "Standing up to the NRA" on this, wind up as the NRA's biggest supporters! DonP Jun 2012 #7
Actually, when the Executive Vice Prez of NRA speaks against Obama, it is not political wing of NRA. Hoyt Jun 2012 #10
Well, you should contact the IRS immediately DonP Jun 2012 #11
You guys are so naive. As to my state legislators, you are wrong. I do not support Republicans Hoyt Jun 2012 #12
We're naive? That's hysterical coming from you. So - why aren't you reporting them? DonP Jun 2012 #13
"Co-mingling of funds" is not necessary for the leadership of NRA to control its PAC. Hoyt Jun 2012 #14
So you're saying that all that money you keep generating, may hurt us even more this year? DonP Jun 2012 #15
I'm saying liberal support of right wing NRA and it's influential PAC is a danger. Hoyt Jun 2012 #16
Chicago is finding out how expensive following your advice is too DonP Jun 2012 #18
A Million dollars paid to you buddies a month, must be considered better than allowing guns. Hoyt Jun 2012 #19
Bassackwards, as usual. We have "no guns", we have plenty of shootings and we have these big checks DonP Jun 2012 #20
Jeeeez. 2 or 3 MORE a month will cost city well over what they are paying to fight right wing gun Hoyt Jun 2012 #21
Yeah, just like the streets of Georgia ran red with blood after CCW <sarcasm> DonP Jun 2012 #22
They chose to "take a stand" so now they pay the price... virginia mountainman Jun 2012 #8
Sooner or later we will win the battle of the pocketbook. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #17
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Another cut to worthy programs to pay off lobbyists and organizations
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:50 PM
Jun 2012

trying to defeat Obama and other Democrats.

These fundies need to get a life.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
4. But you supported fighting the NRA on this....
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:03 AM
Jun 2012

...knowing the fiscal consequences of losing. So isn't it really the people that supported Chicago's attempt who are to blame?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. However you want to view it. I don't think we should applaud organizations promoting Obama's defeat.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:18 AM
Jun 2012
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. If BA is committed to Obama, yes. If bank is just hedging their bets and contributing to both - NO.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jun 2012

I find it hard to believe that Bank America has announced it's support of Democrats over Republicans. I will review any citation you may have.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
7. People that support "Standing up to the NRA" on this, wind up as the NRA's biggest supporters!
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:21 AM
Jun 2012

Individual membership dues can't be spent on the political side of their activity. But the "winnings" from these lawsuits, DC, Chicago, San Francisco etc. all can go direct to the political side of the NRA.

DC - $3.2 million
Chicago $3.0 million
San Francisco - $360,000
Others?

So all those "wise and principled souls" that shout "Stand up to the evil NRA", usually from a great and disconnected distance, with no real dog in the fight, wind up making sure that their political coffers are nice and full.

People like that are responsible for more NRA political money than any individual member's will ever be.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. Actually, when the Executive Vice Prez of NRA speaks against Obama, it is not political wing of NRA.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jun 2012

I will bet my ass there are overlapping directors. I've worked with organizations with PACs. If you think the "mother" organization does not control the PAC -- you need to do some research.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
11. Well, you should contact the IRS immediately
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jun 2012

I'm sure if they are violating their 501C-3 status they'll want to jump right on your report about that.

Then they can close down the NRA and you'll be such a hero they'll probably carry you around on their shoulders at the Dem Convention and have your Defensive Bicycle Wheel bronzed for posterity.

In the meantime keep up your "principled stance" and encourage everyone to stand up to the evil NRA ... except your own state or local legislators of course, you don't seem to actually ever do anything with them.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. You guys are so naive. As to my state legislators, you are wrong. I do not support Republicans
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:08 PM
Jun 2012

because of their support of guns, bigotry, harsh immigration laws, cutting Medicaid, etc. I vote and contribute to Democrats who are not led by money and almighty love of guns.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
13. We're naive? That's hysterical coming from you. So - why aren't you reporting them?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:56 PM
Jun 2012

Geee, you sounded pretty sure they were violating their not for profit tax status by co-mingling funding. So you're not going to do anything about that violation? Color me shocked.

Oh, that's right, all you do is post rude and poorly thought through "stories" online.

Tell us again about how you confront people (must all be GOP, since there couldn't possibly be any Dems with a CCW in Georgia, you wouldn't allow it) carrying concealed, demanding their papers and holding them for the police. Oh and how you magically know they are carrying when it's concealed?

Thanks to people that demand gun bans and keep demanding confronting the NRA, Wayne LaPierre will sleep well again tonight, knowing he has the "useful idiots" working for him and giving him an issue and funding when he needs it.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. "Co-mingling of funds" is not necessary for the leadership of NRA to control its PAC.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:28 PM
Jun 2012

Good lord man, the boards likely overlap. The NRA established the PAC. Preventing co-mingling of funds is easy -- there are plenty of lawyers to show you how to preserve tax exempt status while still exerting control.

But, Wayne LaPierre, Teddy Nugent and other right wing fuckers control where the money goes.

What do you think would happen if NRA's PAC took it's money and contributed it all to Obama. The board and staff would be tarred-and-feathered, assuming they were not shot by the gun loving right wingers that run the NRA and PAC/

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
15. So you're saying that all that money you keep generating, may hurt us even more this year?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:50 PM
Jun 2012

So all the checks that Rahm and company keep writing to the NRA, because short sighted gun grabbers keep telling them to stand up to the NRA, are going to hurt our election chances no matter what?

So every time some idiot actually listens to the loudmouth minority on the issue, and decides the constitution is optional in their city or state and the NRA inevitably wins in court, another big ass check goes to their war chest.

Wow, if I were you I'd keep my mouth shut about that.

If people found out how much revenue you actually generate for the NRA in general, they might get pissed at you.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. I'm saying liberal support of right wing NRA and it's influential PAC is a danger.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jun 2012

It appears Chicago thinks it is worth fighting the right wingers.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
18. Chicago is finding out how expensive following your advice is too
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:03 AM
Jun 2012

The Second Amendment Foundation appreciates your support and the ongoing contributions you help generate for them.

Now, how much have you collected to promote gun control?

To further complicate things, the push for CCW in Illinois is from the downstate Dems.

I know that fucks with your pet theory that only the GOP wants more liberal gun laws, but you'll just have to deal with it.

In the meantime, Rahm will keep writing those big ass checks like the one right below this post.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. A Million dollars paid to you buddies a month, must be considered better than allowing guns.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jun 2012

2 or 3 more shootings a month could cost the city that much.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
20. Bassackwards, as usual. We have "no guns", we have plenty of shootings and we have these big checks
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:35 AM
Jun 2012

Chicago is still fighting the battle you encourage to keep guns completely out of the hands of the regular citizens.

And 2 or 3 a month! We have 45 shootings and 8 murders every weekend.

After they got their ass handed to them in McDonald v. Chicago they created a complex process to even own and keep a gun in your home that involves passing a course at an approved shooting range. Good idea, but they also banned shooting ranges in the same legislation. So no concealed carry and legal guns in your own home are few and far between.

And with all that gun control you love so much we still have 48% higher murder rates than last year with 20 students under 17 killed to date.

Oh, and they are still paying the millions in legal fees to keep doing the same thing over and over. Sooner or later maybe even Rahm will get tired of spending other people's money.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. Jeeeez. 2 or 3 MORE a month will cost city well over what they are paying to fight right wing gun
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:38 AM
Jun 2012

promoters and lobbyist. The people's money will be spent many times over if the flood gates are opened to more and more guns.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
22. Yeah, just like the streets of Georgia ran red with blood after CCW <sarcasm>
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jun 2012

So did Minnesota, Kansas, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri et. al.

We were assured by people just like you again and again that there would be shootings over parking spaces and in the produce department, and the death rate would skyrocket. It happened for every state and ... nothing changed. Well, except the rate of violent crime continued to fall.

You'd think you'd eventually get tired of being dead ass wrong on an issue. But no sign of that ever happening.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
8. They chose to "take a stand" so now they pay the price...
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:40 AM
Jun 2012

A check issued by City of Chicago, and signed by Rahm Emanual, to the Second Amendment Foundation...Notice that this is just the FIRST PAYMENT....



It makes me LOL, to realize they are funding their own demise...But hey, when you take a abbhorent stand you pay the price, or more correctly the taxpayers pay for your insolence.

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