Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumOak Park, Chicago, must pay NRA’s attorney fees
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http://oakpark.suntimes.com/news/5756944-418/oak-park-chicago-liable-for-nras-attorney-fees.htmlIn its ruling, written by Justice Frank Easterbrook, the appeals court held that the NRA was a prevailing party in National Rifle Association v City of Chicago and Village of Oak Park, and as such, was legally entitled to recover attorney costs from the two municipalities.
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This is a Second Amendment victory and a civil rights victory, Chris W. Cox stated in a NRA press release. The National Rifle Association and the Second Amendment prevailed against those who sought to deny the right to keep and bear arms in Chicago and Oak Park. The attempt to avoid paying the NRAs attorneys fees was rightly found to be unjust by the Court.
Cox also vowed that the NRA would continue to oppose Oak Park and Chicagos efforts to regulate handguns until the Second Amendment is fully respected.
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Chicago had tried to squirm out of paying the NRA by claiming that under a technicality the NRA didn't really win the case. So now they will have to pay the NRA for the original fees plus the fees for this suit.
safeinOhio
(32,762 posts)the NAACP and SPLC and not the NRA.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)trying to defeat Obama and other Democrats.
These fundies need to get a life.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)although we have a different idea of who the fundies are.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)...knowing the fiscal consequences of losing. So isn't it really the people that supported Chicago's attempt who are to blame?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)Like, say, Bank of America?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I find it hard to believe that Bank America has announced it's support of Democrats over Republicans. I will review any citation you may have.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Individual membership dues can't be spent on the political side of their activity. But the "winnings" from these lawsuits, DC, Chicago, San Francisco etc. all can go direct to the political side of the NRA.
DC - $3.2 million
Chicago $3.0 million
San Francisco - $360,000
Others?
So all those "wise and principled souls" that shout "Stand up to the evil NRA", usually from a great and disconnected distance, with no real dog in the fight, wind up making sure that their political coffers are nice and full.
People like that are responsible for more NRA political money than any individual member's will ever be.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I will bet my ass there are overlapping directors. I've worked with organizations with PACs. If you think the "mother" organization does not control the PAC -- you need to do some research.
DonP
(6,185 posts)I'm sure if they are violating their 501C-3 status they'll want to jump right on your report about that.
Then they can close down the NRA and you'll be such a hero they'll probably carry you around on their shoulders at the Dem Convention and have your Defensive Bicycle Wheel bronzed for posterity.
In the meantime keep up your "principled stance" and encourage everyone to stand up to the evil NRA ... except your own state or local legislators of course, you don't seem to actually ever do anything with them.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)because of their support of guns, bigotry, harsh immigration laws, cutting Medicaid, etc. I vote and contribute to Democrats who are not led by money and almighty love of guns.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Geee, you sounded pretty sure they were violating their not for profit tax status by co-mingling funding. So you're not going to do anything about that violation? Color me shocked.
Oh, that's right, all you do is post rude and poorly thought through "stories" online.
Tell us again about how you confront people (must all be GOP, since there couldn't possibly be any Dems with a CCW in Georgia, you wouldn't allow it) carrying concealed, demanding their papers and holding them for the police. Oh and how you magically know they are carrying when it's concealed?
Thanks to people that demand gun bans and keep demanding confronting the NRA, Wayne LaPierre will sleep well again tonight, knowing he has the "useful idiots" working for him and giving him an issue and funding when he needs it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Good lord man, the boards likely overlap. The NRA established the PAC. Preventing co-mingling of funds is easy -- there are plenty of lawyers to show you how to preserve tax exempt status while still exerting control.
But, Wayne LaPierre, Teddy Nugent and other right wing fuckers control where the money goes.
What do you think would happen if NRA's PAC took it's money and contributed it all to Obama. The board and staff would be tarred-and-feathered, assuming they were not shot by the gun loving right wingers that run the NRA and PAC/
DonP
(6,185 posts)So all the checks that Rahm and company keep writing to the NRA, because short sighted gun grabbers keep telling them to stand up to the NRA, are going to hurt our election chances no matter what?
So every time some idiot actually listens to the loudmouth minority on the issue, and decides the constitution is optional in their city or state and the NRA inevitably wins in court, another big ass check goes to their war chest.
Wow, if I were you I'd keep my mouth shut about that.
If people found out how much revenue you actually generate for the NRA in general, they might get pissed at you.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)It appears Chicago thinks it is worth fighting the right wingers.
DonP
(6,185 posts)The Second Amendment Foundation appreciates your support and the ongoing contributions you help generate for them.
Now, how much have you collected to promote gun control?
To further complicate things, the push for CCW in Illinois is from the downstate Dems.
I know that fucks with your pet theory that only the GOP wants more liberal gun laws, but you'll just have to deal with it.
In the meantime, Rahm will keep writing those big ass checks like the one right below this post.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)2 or 3 more shootings a month could cost the city that much.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Chicago is still fighting the battle you encourage to keep guns completely out of the hands of the regular citizens.
And 2 or 3 a month! We have 45 shootings and 8 murders every weekend.
After they got their ass handed to them in McDonald v. Chicago they created a complex process to even own and keep a gun in your home that involves passing a course at an approved shooting range. Good idea, but they also banned shooting ranges in the same legislation. So no concealed carry and legal guns in your own home are few and far between.
And with all that gun control you love so much we still have 48% higher murder rates than last year with 20 students under 17 killed to date.
Oh, and they are still paying the millions in legal fees to keep doing the same thing over and over. Sooner or later maybe even Rahm will get tired of spending other people's money.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)promoters and lobbyist. The people's money will be spent many times over if the flood gates are opened to more and more guns.
DonP
(6,185 posts)So did Minnesota, Kansas, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri et. al.
We were assured by people just like you again and again that there would be shootings over parking spaces and in the produce department, and the death rate would skyrocket. It happened for every state and ... nothing changed. Well, except the rate of violent crime continued to fall.
You'd think you'd eventually get tired of being dead ass wrong on an issue. But no sign of that ever happening.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)A check issued by City of Chicago, and signed by Rahm Emanual, to the Second Amendment Foundation...Notice that this is just the FIRST PAYMENT....
It makes me LOL, to realize they are funding their own demise...But hey, when you take a abbhorent stand you pay the price, or more correctly the taxpayers pay for your insolence.