I'm conflicted by this. Carrying a gun around isn't going to affect the random Black person from being gunned down. Rather, I suspect it will CAUSE more Black folks to be gunned down .... even if they take some police with them.

On the other hand, we will see the difference in treatment they receive .... even this article calls them "militants" ... the proximate step to a "good fear of my life" police shooting.

on police brutality in minority communities, he was -- as per usual -- laying all of this at the feet of the Obama admin for increased militarization of police forces and saying this was the root cause of the matter.

I made the comment then and I still believe that even if cops had musket guns that only shoot one bullet every six hours, there'd still be black bodies piled high. The problem is RACISM and the perspective that black people, even black children, can never be innocent. That the only punishment we deserve for every infraction, no matter how minor, is death or 100 times more than what a white person would get for doing the same. Cops could have slingshots but if the real root, which is racism, is not diminished through punitive measures (suspensions, firings, jail time), then nothing is going to change.

These guys thinking that having more guns is somehow going to make them more safe does nothing but make me more fearful. Black folks make cops shit their pants when only waving toy guns around (John Crawford, Tamir Rice) or when completely unarmed. Carrying AK's is somehow going to make the cops act right????? I pray this doesn't make things worse. But in all honesty, I'm not sure how they could get much worse in the first place.

"I feel the same. This is why when a certain DU "darling" was running around in thread after thread
on police brutality in minority communities, he was -- as per usual -- laying all of this at the feet of the Obama admin for increased militarization of police forces and saying this was the root cause of the matter."

I saw those threads and wasn't in the mood to deal with them. It is not the militarization of police, though I hate it. It is about racists that are using their job, their badge as a license to kill black men freely. Are all cops bad? No, yet we have far to many using their position of authority as a hunting license and they have know for far to long that they can get away with it.

It breaks my heart when every damn day I read about another unarmed shooting where an officer 'feared for his life'. I call bullshit on that. I do understand what is behind some of the thinking of Newton's Gun Club. However, my fear, this does not bode well. More guns won't solve this. As we just saw in Ferguson, voting may help more.

I agree completely.

in more areas, I'd want to see if this might make the GOP (and maybe even the NRA) support stricter gun laws.

And I want stricter gun control law. Zimpig is a perfect example of a person who should be thrown in prison for the rest of his life if he even looks at a gun.

suddenly gun control will seem ALOT more palatable.

In my experience, black rifle owners show more restraint. And for the club, there is a purpose involved, whether we like to acknowledge that we have gotten down to this level, or not.

It's the Birchers' wet dream, living in an armed camp. Random shootings. I don't see this gun club as indulging in that kind of behavior.

The sight of those guys in TARGET stores and elsewhere, usually white people with more money than brains, and for example, the NRA convention in Houston selling shooting target dummies made to look like Obama and women, make me want to literally jump out of my skin to get as far away from them as possible.

Since you have an informed opinion, do you see the black community in your area discussing if this is their solution to police killings? And have you see anything to show that black people where this gun club operates, feel the same way theys are bullies?

I'm pretty sure that no one in their right mind wants to live in an armed camp. If people can't get control of local law enforcement, are they setting up their own neighborhood policing, Libertarian style? Could this result in vigilantism against some of the people in the community?

It seems like there are more POC in offices of power than ever, doing very effective actions (Holder mostly) so POC should not give up getting a fair shake in government. But I just don't seen this group as the type people fear, people who shoot at random.

Does this in any way legitimize the white people in the OC movement to the black community - because I find them abhorrent.

And I don't know of any people personally that think that starting a gun club will fix the problem.

But I think that what heaven said below is a good point, that this is more about evening the scales, even if it's just superficially. Maybe putting up the appearance of "we're not taking this anymore" will have some impact. I'm still nervous as hell about this though.

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I was never called a n..... to my face. I wonder why? It helps balance the individual power. Period.

for saying their child now is afraid of ALL black people because two of them home invaded them.

I wonder if the child would have been afraid of all WHITE people if whites had invaded?

Probably not, because the parents would not have reinforced that fear which these obviously did.

But making that point on DU , well, dangerous to do

The shit that goes on around here is amazing, and you want to arm the black community?



I was HIDDEN for suggesting that a while back...March 19th, my comments were just too much for the brain surgeons here.

Same old same old.
It was odd - when bravenak posted a thread just saying, "Hey folks? Why are you shocked to know that a black person might not like white folks" - those same people that chastised her . . .

As are double standards and speaking out both sides of their mouths.

Not that it will make much different to DU.

This place has gone around the bend so long ago it's on its way back. Every day, I see numerous reasons why so many black, brown, gay posters no longer put their toes in the swill that disguises itself for discussion here. And now that Hillary is in the race, it is somehow ONLY going to get worse.

they mentioned black friends and black people they come across in public and the child's relationships in school.

if the child comes across black people and ESPECIALLY black friends of her parents i have a hard time believing the fear they claim she has.

i think they either did nothing to help her if she really was scared of others at first but more likely i think they probably accepted and encouraged it.