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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:15 AM Feb 2012

'Divine Jehovah, raise up': Does discovery of coffin lid prove the resting place of Jesus is under J

Archaeologists exploring a 1st century Christian burial chamber have discovered an ancient inscription on a coffin lid which they believe could prove the site is the final resting place of Jesus.

Using a remote-controlled camera connected to a robotic arm to probe below a tower block in Jerusalem, the archaeologists were staggered to discover a set of 1st century 'bone boxes'.

The lid on one of these limestone boxes, also known as ossuaries, carries an inscription in Greek which could be translated as 'Divine Jehovah, raise up, raise up'.

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Another carries a drawing of a fish with a stick figure in its mouth which is believed to refer to the story of Jonah and the Whale - one of the very first Christian stories.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2107591/Will-discovery-ancient-coffin-lead-resting-place-Jesus.html#ixzz1nlhn8eNP





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'Divine Jehovah, raise up': Does discovery of coffin lid prove the resting place of Jesus is under J (Original Post) dipsydoodle Feb 2012 OP
Well, that's proof enough for me... rfranklin Feb 2012 #1
Another entry for "Headline Questions to Which the Answer is No" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #2
"Jonah and the Whale - one of the very first Christian stories"-Bah! It's a Jewish story. TexasProgresive Feb 2012 #3
Isn't the Jonah and the Whale story in the Old Testament? notadmblnd Feb 2012 #4
Actually, it's from the Epic of Gilgamesh Oldfolkie Feb 2012 #6
Why would the divine one need a coffin? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #5
No. mr blur Feb 2012 #7
another flim flam man... madrchsod Feb 2012 #8
Did I read right edhopper Feb 2012 #9
Can't see that bit ? dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #10
This bit: muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #11
This kind of story appears every few years; a few people make lots of money from them Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #12
Get your holy prepuce of Jesus here. Holy prepuces! 1 farthing each, 5 for a penny! nt dmallind Feb 2012 #13
The Catholic Church would never accept it Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #14

muriel_volestrangler

(101,415 posts)
2. Another entry for "Headline Questions to Which the Answer is No"
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 07:53 AM
Feb 2012
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/tag/headline/

Even the truncated headline on its own made me think (a) "no, there will be no 'proof' in the article (b) probably a Daily Mail effort.

As for the article:

Tabor noted that the epitaph's complete and final translation is uncertain. The first three lines are clear, but the last line, consisting of three Greek letters, is less sure, yielding several possible translations: 'O Divine Jehovah, raise up, raise up,' or 'The Divine Jehovah raises up to the Holy Place,' or 'The Divine Jehovah raises up from.'

'This inscription has something to do with resurrection of the dead, either of the deceased in the ossuary, or perhaps, given the Jonah image nearby, an expression of faith in Jesus' resurrection,' Tabor said.


So this may well be a Christian burial - or any Jewish sect that believed in an afterlife. It does not 'prove', or even give evidence, that the person or people buried there are Jesus or people directly associated with him. It's 200ft away from the one which has been fairly comprehensively dismissed as anything to do with Jesus - and 200ft in an ancient city is a lot. The claim that this "part of the same complex which may have been the property of Joseph of Arimathea" is laughable - even if he did own such a large section of Jerusalem, you could bury hundreds of people in that space - finding one Christian burial in it proves nothing. And that would be assuming that the bit about Joseph in the gospels was accurate, which there's no particular reason to believe, if you're rejecting the central resurrection claim.

TexasProgresive

(12,165 posts)
3. "Jonah and the Whale - one of the very first Christian stories"-Bah! It's a Jewish story.
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 08:07 AM
Feb 2012

Did the person writing this piece just make it up?

edhopper

(33,667 posts)
9. Did I read right
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 10:45 AM
Feb 2012

that they mentioned the ossuaries that have been proven as hoaxes? (the writing was changed to make it seem related to Jesus)

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
10. Can't see that bit ?
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:17 AM
Feb 2012


I can see this :

The tomb in question is dated prior to 70 CE, when ossuary use in Jerusalem ceased due to the Roman destruction of the city.


muriel_volestrangler

(101,415 posts)
11. This bit:
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:35 AM
Feb 2012
The find is 200ft away from an earlier discovery known as the Jesus Family Tomb, which caused a huge amount of controversy after it was uncovered in the 1980s.

Archaeologists then claimed it contained ossuaries inscribed with names associated with Jesus's family.

That discovery sprouted amazing theories including one that maintained Jesus had been buried there alongside Mary Magdalene who he had married and raised a family with.

However many leading theologians and archaeologists rubbished such claims as being completely unfounded.


And that is the only connection with the 'resting place of Jesus' claim in the headline. No-one is claiming the ossuary with a fish contain Jesus', or his family's, bones.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
12. This kind of story appears every few years; a few people make lots of money from them
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 11:47 AM
Feb 2012

During the Crusades there was a whole industry in Israel, selling to crusaders: "authentic" pieces of the cross; the bones of saints; the chalice; the shroud; and so forth.

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