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Religion and Science Are Compatible, According to Researchers Paid to Say That
January 2, 2018 by Hemant Mehta
An article published today by Religion News Service makes a straw man argument against vocal atheists. Researchers Christopher P. Scheitle and Elaine Howard Ecklund say that if you talk to fans of New Atheists like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris, theres a good chance youd hear them say something like, religious people hate science.
Thats obviously not true. There are certain kinds of religious people who denounce science and ignore evidence Creationists, Christian Scientists, etc. but it would be foolish to say all religious people (as if theyre a monolith) treat science as a dirty word.
The Catholic Church, for example, accepts evolution even if the leaders make wildly inaccurate and harmful claims about homosexuality. Evangelicals may well go into scientific fields, even if they compartmentalize work they do in a lab and things they believe about the Bible.
Even Dawkins and Harris will tell you that.
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Creationist Ken Ham goes out of his way to talk about how everything in the Creation Museum is scientifically accurate. He just creates a made-up distinction between historical and observational science, a distinction no real scientist makes. Just about every credible scientist in the world dismisses his conclusions.
The point is: It doesnt matter if religious people think their beliefs can co-exist with science. They either do or they dont. The fact is certain religious beliefs go directly against scientific realities.
shanny
(6,709 posts)At least they are if you are talking quantum physics and shamanism.
Slightly different vocab tho.
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)It doesn't always work especially if you are a literalist.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Just like Harry Potter is.
As long as you recognize that Harry Potter is just an idea that doesn't actually explain anything in the real world, it's 100% compatible with science.
NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)...fits into a NOMA model of reality.
I wonder where this rabbit hole will take us.
Igel
(35,390 posts)My first church was mostly filled with people who didn't go to college. So they fit the stereotype.
The last two regularly have lay sermons and opening/closing prayers by people introduced as "doctor." They have their PhDs. Not in something like English or history, but in various branches of engineering, in chemistry, in physics. They see no conflict between chemistry and their faith.
In grad school an acquaintance nearly done his thesis in molecular biology confided to me that he was a young-Earth creationist. And was terrified that his advisor might find out. He had presented at conferences, cowritten papers, but to his advisor's mind denied the very basis of the field. Oddly, he treated it as a heuristic that worked. Rather like physicists used classical theory in working out frequencies given a black body's temperature but knew that at some point (prior to Planck's work) that their equations were crap. In other words, they relied on something which empirical evidence said was incorrect. They just couldn't figure out how to fix it. But it worked, so they used it. Very pragmatic, that kind of thinking.
What's amusing is the people who say that they are intelligent enough follow Alice's White Queen: Believing 6 impossible things before breakfast. Then mock those who merely believe two contradictory things at some point during the day. The problem is that pretty much everybody, if pushed, will find places where their thinking, beliefs, actions contract each other or the evidence.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Some need believers like Ken Ham to justify their own attitudes.
Mariana
(14,863 posts)His views are popular. He's become rich because many, many Christians agree with him and give him money.
Iggo
(47,597 posts)Totally true.
Seen it at the book store.