Religion
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest_shortage_in_the_Catholic_ChurchIn 2014, 49,153 parishes in the world had no resident priest pastor.[2] Between 1970 and 2012, the number of priests declined from 419,728 to 414,313.
Mexico is facing a "crisis of vocation," according to Elio Masferrer, a religion expert at Mexico's National School of Anthropology and History. Over 85 percent of the population is Catholic, but one priest is expected to minister to approximately 7,000 followers. In the United States, where approximately one quarter of the population is Catholic, there is one priest per 2,000 Catholics.[4]
The situation in the United States is that the "Catholic Church is unique among eleven of the largest Christian denominations in several areas: the dwindling supply of priests, the increasing number of lay people per priest, the declining number of priests per parish, [and] the increasing number of 'priestless' parishes...In the Catholic Church, the total number of priests has declined from 58,534 in 1981 to 52,227 in 1991, 45,713 in 2001 and 37,192 in 2015 (a 36 percent loss between 1981 and 2016). Requirements for celibacy, poverty and obedience may be factors.
This problem is growing, while congregations are shrinking. It's a sign.
Signs. Signs. Everywhere a sign...
Cartoonist
(7,326 posts)Priests will be assigned according to where the money is. Affluent areas will see more priests than poorer ones.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Poor parishes in the Minneapolis St. Paul area share priests. More affluent parishes do not.
However, many parishes with their own priests have priests who speak English as a second language these days. Many are Hispanic. It's very interesting, I think.
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)The celibacy rule and ban on female clergy should be lifted.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Protestant seminary admissions are down across the board, too. Married pastors and women pastors are common in Protestant churches. No, I think the problem is not that at all. I think it is that the life of a clergy person is not all that attractive these days. The pay's lousy, job tenure is iffy, and the intellectual demands are high.
Besides, standing up in front of a crowd every week, often more than once is a tough gig. And congregations are fickle, too. In most Protestant churches, pastors are at-will employees of a board of church elders or deacons. Those are unforgiving groups.
Finally, how many young people today really believe that stuff, anyhow? I don't see how anyone could be part of the clergy without a strong belief. Even then...I don't see this situation changing, frankly.
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)Smaller churches yes you don't get paid as much, but most don't go in for the pay.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)earn that much. It's a competitive field when you get to that level. It's like any other class of employment, really.
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)Some churches it is just tradition to pay your clergy a pretty penny.
But the young people and older people who go into seminary these days are not doing it for money. They do it because they feel called by God to serve his church.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)well enough to know what they earn? I know a few clergy members, but I've never inquired into their income.
Do tell...
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)pamdb
(1,333 posts)1.) Let priests marry
2.) open the priesthood to women
problem solved.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Not happening.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)They used to have them about 1,000 years ago. Eastern Rite priests are still allowed to marry.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)they collapse completely.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)The fastest-growing religious segment of western population are people who consider themselves spiritual but non-religious.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)Each person has a unique definition of what it means to be "spiritual."
edhopper
(33,667 posts)but in general i think it means people who are not non-believers, but do not belong to an organized religion.
Yes it is a general term for something on a personal level.
I may be wrong, but i think most accept it as that.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I've hear people say their "spiritualism" consists of wonder at the magnificence of nature. I have that, too, but do not attribute it to anything but natural causes. They're amazing enough.
Others have referenced their "meditations" as spiritualism, but with no details. I also meditate, but my meditations have no spiritual content.
I just wish there were a reasonable definition of that word, so we could all be more or less on the same page when using it.
edhopper
(33,667 posts)"blank" but not religious?
Believer but not religious?
or; non-organized religion believer?
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I don't know, really. Often, when I meet someone who says he or she is "spiritual but not religious," I just let it slide by. Occasionally, when it is someone I know, I inquire further and ask what they mean by "spiritual." Often what I hear is a general sort of belief in "a higher power." When asked about the nature of that "higher power," there's rarely any answer forthcoming.
Sometimes, I end the conversation with "How about nature and its processes as the 'higher power?'" That usually gets an, "OK. That works for me."
Saying one is "spiritual" is a shortcut to ending the conversation in most cases. I find that it's rarely a thought-through designation. It's just a bland, undefined word to describe a bland, undefined concept.
edhopper
(33,667 posts)but can't accept that there is nothing "more" to their lives and the universe than the physical reality.
There have been long discussions, here and elsewhere, about consciousness being more than the function of the brain.
As you said, it requires a deeper discussion.