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rug

(82,333 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 07:29 AM Jun 2012

U.S. Court Ruling Allows Religious Groups to Use Schools for Services

By MARC SANTORA
Published: June 29, 2012

A federal judge ruled on Friday that religious groups cannot be prohibited from using public schools to hold services, rejecting the argument that such use violates the Constitution’s requirement to keep church and state strictly separate.

The ruling, by Judge Loretta A. Preska of United States District Court in Manhattan, was a major setback for New York City, which has fought for nearly two decades to expel religious groups from the schools.

Religious groups that use the schools hailed the decision, even though the city is likely to appeal.

Jordan W. Lorence, a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund, a group representing the churches, said, “The court’s order allows churches and other religious groups to meet for worship services in empty school buildings on weekends on the same terms as other groups.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/nyregion/religious-groups-allowed-to-use-new-york-city-schools-for-services.html

The opinion (59 pages pdf):

http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/cases/show.php?db=special&id=191

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U.S. Court Ruling Allows Religious Groups to Use Schools for Services (Original Post) rug Jun 2012 OP
My voting precinct used to be in a church. CrispyQ Jun 2012 #1
Do you understand why the city is so intent on barring this? cbayer Jun 2012 #2
No. I suppose their stated reasons would be in their Memorandum of Law. rug Jun 2012 #5
Just another pipoman Jun 2012 #6
Really? Who cares if they use the schools pipoman Jun 2012 #3
I don't have a problem with religious group using school buildings EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2012 #4
And as long as they aren't using it skepticscott Jun 2012 #8
I agree completely EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2012 #9
Sounds like a good ruling. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #7

CrispyQ

(36,574 posts)
1. My voting precinct used to be in a church.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 08:56 AM
Jun 2012

I don't see a problem with church services held at a school as long as it's outside of school hours & isn't 'advertised' or any other way affiliated with the school.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. No. I suppose their stated reasons would be in their Memorandum of Law.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jun 2012

The only benign reason I can think of is that the city is trying to maintain control over their property. There are thousands of schools, hundreds of religions and millions of people in NYC who can seek to use the City's facilities. This particular case appears to turn on the City's definition of worship, which they want to keep as the key to entering the facilities. This opinion holds their definition violates the First Amendment. Whatever the reason, this particular litigation has been going on for more than a decade.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
6. Just another
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 11:19 AM
Jun 2012

city spending tax payer's money fighting loosing battles against freedom and civil liberties.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
3. Really? Who cares if they use the schools
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jun 2012

when nobody but the parishioners are there? I assume they are paying some rent. I have though of the waste of schools sitting empty 3 months per year..Sometimes the over sensitivity of the separation crowd seems like a huge waste of time and money. I don't want them proselytizing while the school is in session either..this looks like simply a facility rental. If there is a policy allowing rental of the facility, I believe it would be discriminatory not to allow churches to participate.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
4. I don't have a problem with religious group using school buildings
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jun 2012

At least as long as they're paying the same rent as any other group, and that a preference isn't being shown to the religious groups over secular groups.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
8. And as long as they aren't using it
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:00 PM
Jun 2012

as an opportunity to proselytize, by "accidentally" leaving religious materials behind for students to find Monday morning. The first time that happened, they'd be gone for good, and fuck the court ruling. Other than that, no reason it should be a problem.

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