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Related: About this forumU.S. Court Ruling Allows Religious Groups to Use Schools for Services
By MARC SANTORA
Published: June 29, 2012
A federal judge ruled on Friday that religious groups cannot be prohibited from using public schools to hold services, rejecting the argument that such use violates the Constitutions requirement to keep church and state strictly separate.
The ruling, by Judge Loretta A. Preska of United States District Court in Manhattan, was a major setback for New York City, which has fought for nearly two decades to expel religious groups from the schools.
Religious groups that use the schools hailed the decision, even though the city is likely to appeal.
Jordan W. Lorence, a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund, a group representing the churches, said, The courts order allows churches and other religious groups to meet for worship services in empty school buildings on weekends on the same terms as other groups.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/nyregion/religious-groups-allowed-to-use-new-york-city-schools-for-services.html
The opinion (59 pages pdf):
http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/cases/show.php?db=special&id=191
CrispyQ
(36,574 posts)I don't see a problem with church services held at a school as long as it's outside of school hours & isn't 'advertised' or any other way affiliated with the school.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)It seems harmless to me.
rug
(82,333 posts)The only benign reason I can think of is that the city is trying to maintain control over their property. There are thousands of schools, hundreds of religions and millions of people in NYC who can seek to use the City's facilities. This particular case appears to turn on the City's definition of worship, which they want to keep as the key to entering the facilities. This opinion holds their definition violates the First Amendment. Whatever the reason, this particular litigation has been going on for more than a decade.
city spending tax payer's money fighting loosing battles against freedom and civil liberties.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)when nobody but the parishioners are there? I assume they are paying some rent. I have though of the waste of schools sitting empty 3 months per year..Sometimes the over sensitivity of the separation crowd seems like a huge waste of time and money. I don't want them proselytizing while the school is in session either..this looks like simply a facility rental. If there is a policy allowing rental of the facility, I believe it would be discriminatory not to allow churches to participate.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)At least as long as they're paying the same rent as any other group, and that a preference isn't being shown to the religious groups over secular groups.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)as an opportunity to proselytize, by "accidentally" leaving religious materials behind for students to find Monday morning. The first time that happened, they'd be gone for good, and fuck the court ruling. Other than that, no reason it should be a problem.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)They also shouldn't be allowed to promote hate through their use of the facility.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Empty public buildings should be available for community purposes.