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MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. I smell something most unsavory there.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:58 PM
May 2016

The suggestion that seems to be shopped in that sentence at your link is that the congresswoman is perhaps less "American" than some. We didn't care for this sort of thing when that NPR interviewer, Diane Rehm, did this sort of thing with one of the candidates, and we shouldn't put up with this kind of thing here, either. Rehm, at least, apologized.

I don't care for the suggestion at all. I find it offensive.

I think your response and your concern are justified and appropriate.

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Behind the Aegis

(54,073 posts)
3. Not that uncommon.
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:57 AM
May 2016

When the Iran deal was going down, one poster was prolific in his anti-Semitic remarks regarding Schumer, whom he referred to as (D-Tel-Aviv) and people ate it up. See, the ancient "Jews aren't loyal citizens to their country" is still quite prevalent, and with the birth of Israel, they (the hatemongers) now have an actual location to claim to which we are more loyal. It is a form of anti-Semitism which often gets a pass, even on the left.

Behind the Aegis

(54,073 posts)
6. Some bigotries aren't considered as "offensive".
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:13 PM
May 2016

It comes down to many people not knowing what anti-Semitism is. Hell, just take a look at a variety of threads about the topic and people can't even get the definition correct! Did you see the Diane Rehm thread? That will tell you just about everything you need to know in relation to how some ignore the idea that accusing a Jew of being more loyal to Israel "isn't really anti-Semitism." Which is why we get "cutsey" remarks about DWS "go to Israel" and "anti-Semites think the same about intermarriage" type comments.

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
9. Good, thank you. A few lines later he also says this, which isn't as bad but also smells:
Sun May 29, 2016, 10:55 PM
May 2016

"I suspect any other group expressing such negative views on 'dilution' and intermarriage would be accused of something like racism."

Behind the Aegis

(54,073 posts)
10. It shows an annoying clamoring for some to "Goysplain" to Jews.
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:24 AM
May 2016

Throw in a little bit of race-baiting, and the formula is complete: Jews are "white" supremacists! This has been common here for ages, but really stepped up when Sanders announced his candidacy. The only thing which increased more, but still anti-Semitic, was the red-baiting.

The fact is other groups do express such views, including African-Americans. The difference between supremacists and what DWS and others are expressing is not wanting their cultures lost, as opposed to thinking their culture is superior to others. It is something I also see in the LGBT community. There are constant discussions between "assimilation" and "remaining true to our culture."

What I find most annoying, besides the goysplainin' is the idea that I (and other Jews) have to battle with imaginary Jews and their alleged opinions based on the non-Jew claiming "some of best friends are Jews and think..."

Mosby

(16,422 posts)
12. I think part of the issue is that non Jews misunderstand the language used
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:38 PM
May 2016

As several posters stated in that thread, most Jewish communities talk about intermarriage and assimilation, in fact most Reform, Conservative and Reconstructionist shuls have outreach programs for intermarried couples, I know my conservative shul does.

The underlying problem for us is intermarriage between Jews and primarily Christians, while the non-Jewish community might see it as Jews trying to keep their bloodlines "pure" or something along those lines. On the surface terms like "intermarriage" sound racial but it's not in the way the Jewish community uses it, anyone can be a Jew regardless of ethnicity. It would be better if we we used a more specific term like "interfaith marriage" but when Jews are taking about the topic we all know what is being referred to as "intermarriage".

Unlike a protestant marrying a Catholic, where the different theology can be mostly reconciled through compromise, Judaism and Christianity are completely incompatible, and studies have shown that "mixed families" frequently do not pass on their Jewishness to succeeding generations. Raising kids in both traditions just cheapens both and removes the authenticity in my opinion. It's a defacto result because the core belief systems are incompatible. If their parents don't show any commitment to a particular religious tradition, why would their kids?


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