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Behind the Aegis

(54,066 posts)
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 06:41 AM Jan 2019

(Jewish Group) How safe are Jews living in Germany?

(THIS IS THE JEWISH GROUP! RESPECT!!)

"Are we safe?" The question asked by Andras Kain, head of the B'nai B'rith-affiliated Raoul Wallenberg Lodge in Berlin, went unanswered.

Berlin is home to the largest Jewish community in Germany, Kain told DW at the organization's European congress in the German capital. And he warned that "anti-Semitism has become socially acceptable, right in the midst of our society." The 2019 congress took place just a few hundred meters from B'nai B'rith's former German headquarters in Kleist Street — which later housed the Gestapo secret police of Nazi Germany.

At its last European congress in Berlin in 2001, the organization received anonymous anti-Semitic letters; today, Kain said, the letters have continued, but people are now signing their names, a development which Kain ascribes to the influence of social media.

Felix Klein, Germany's commissioner on fighting anti-Semitism, confirms that Germany is once again experiencing attacks on Jewish facilities, as well as other forms of anti-Semitism. In 2017, he said, there was an average of three incidents per day.

As part of a counterstrategy to bring more visibility to these cases, Klein said the government plans to establish a "reporting and monitoring system." A commission involving the German federal and state governments is to be set up to meet twice a year for that purpose, he added; perhaps as early as spring. Klein said the states are responsible in 80 to 90 percent of the cases, and welcomed the fact that seven states already have a representative for Jewish life; two other states are working to establish a position.

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(Jewish Group) How safe are Jews living in Germany? (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Jan 2019 OP
It depends. no_hypocrisy Jan 2019 #1
No no the government will not. EllieBC Jan 2019 #3
I think there are two things going on MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #2
And then: Europe's Right Wing Woos a New Audience: Jewish Voters question everything Jan 2019 #4
Duh MosheFeingold Jan 2019 #5

no_hypocrisy

(46,313 posts)
1. It depends.
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 07:15 AM
Jan 2019

There are "traditional" Nazis (supporters of the Third Reich who are elderly, their families, etc.) I met them in 1979 when I was traveling in Germany. They have mini-Nazi museums in their cellars and sing Hitler fight songs in isolated woods. And they still hate Jews and "foreigners".

There are Neo-Nazis, the resurrection of a new generation of Nazis. You know them: shaved heads, tats, loud music. They hate Jews too.

The question is the will of the German government to fight discrimination and persecution of Jews. Local, regional, and country-wide. That will determine how safe German Jews are and will be. Indifference and reticence will be as fatal as government imprimatur

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
2. I think there are two things going on
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jan 2019

1. Germany now has an imported antisemitism issue. This probably is larger than the native antisemitism problem, and more dangerous. Not a politically-correct opinion, I know. But it is stupid to ignore that much of the Islamic world hates Jews simply because we exist. It has nothing to do with Israel or any of the other excuses. A majority of the Islamic world has hated Jewish people for 1,400 years. And gay people. And women. And anyone that refuses to convert. Go read a Pew pole if you don't want to believe this hard truth.

2. The Jewish groups are perceived as liberal and supporting immigration, probably correctly. I think this was a naive, goodhearted, mistake for the reason stated in No. 1. The Jewish groups need to oppose immigration of people with certain beliefs. Not only because it is suicidal, but for the practical reason of avoided being lumped in as "part of the problem" by nativist groups.

question everything

(47,603 posts)
4. And then: Europe's Right Wing Woos a New Audience: Jewish Voters
Tue Jan 22, 2019, 10:40 PM
Jan 2019

From last month:

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Across Europe, anti-immigration parties with ties to far-right movements have stepped up efforts to recruit supporters in the continent’s small Jewish community, often drawing on perceptions in that community about anti-Semitism among Muslims. Such concerns are widespread. A recent European Union survey found that 41% of Jews in Germany who had experienced anti-Semitic harassment blamed Muslim extremists, while 20% saw the perpetrators as having right-wing political views and 16% saw them as having left-wing views.

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The Swedish parliament includes Jewish legislators who belong to the Sweden Democrats, a party with roots in neo-Nazism that it has since renounced. Austria’s parliament includes Jewish lawmakers who are members of the Freedom Party, which was founded by former members of Adolf Hitler’s SS. The party of Geert Wilders, the Dutch politician and strident critic of Islam, has a Jewish legislator. And in France, which has Europe’s largest Jewish community, the pollster IFOP estimated that 10% of Jewish voters supported the National Front—whose founder once called the gas chambers a “detail of World War II history”—in the 2017 presidential election. The party has since been renamed National Rally. To be sure, Jews in Europe have traditionally supported mainstream parties, and many Jewish leaders in Europe have condemned efforts to draw their followers to right-wing parties.

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Right-wing political leaders such as Ms. Le Pen, Italian Interior Minister Matteo Salvini and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban have all traveled to Israel to build ties not just with its government but also with local Jewish constituencies, said Michael Wolffsohn, a historian and commentator who has written extensively about anti-Semitism in Germany. “The alienation of Jews from mainstream parties in Germany and Europe will no doubt continue as anti-Israel rhetoric and the lack of engagement regarding the danger coming from parts of the Muslim community continues,” Mr. Wolffsohn said.

While Jewish voters may represent a relatively small portion of the electorate in many European countries, winning their support could help improve the public image of far-right parties, which often face criticism for their stances against immigration... Jewish lawmakers who belong to far-right parties in Europe say their countries haven’t done enough to address anti-Semitism among new arrivals.

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The recent EU survey found that 34% of Jews in a dozen European countries avoid attending Jewish events for fear for their safety, with well over a third considering emigrating because they don’t feel safe as Jews in Europe. Over 70% saw government measures against anti-Semitism as ineffective and 90% reported that hatred of Jews was on the rise.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-right-wing-woos-a-new-audience-jewish-voters-11546257601 (paid subscription)

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
5. Duh
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 03:05 PM
Jan 2019

I’m not surprised.

I’ve told this story before but years ago I sat next to a scary tattooed guy on a plane. English. I don’t recall the political party, but fringe right at the time.

First words were “you a Jew?!”

I said “Oy vey” internally and prepared for the onslaught.

He was very weird with weird nationalist ideas, but not remotely anti Semitic.

He was OK until he went off the rails and basically opined that Hitlers mistake was going after the Jewish people. He should have allied and then they would rule the world.

Anyway, this seems a milder version of that.

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