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Judi Lynn

(160,684 posts)
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 03:24 PM Jun 2018

Rich people are buying up dinosaurs because museums are too poor to get them

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On June 4, an auction house in Paris will put a highly coveted item on the block: A nearly complete skeleton of a carnivorous dinosaur, almost 9 meters (30 feet) long, believed to have lived during the late Jurassic era 154 million years ago. The world’s paleontologists would love to get their hands on the skeleton, which they suspect is a member of a previously undiscovered species. Instead, a private buyer is likely to snatch it up.

Museums and scientists increasingly lack the funds to buy dinosaur fossils, which can be auctioned off for enormous sums, an article in the scientific journal Nature yesterday (June 1) explains. This particular fossil, excavated in Wyoming between 2013 and 2015, is expected to go for €1.2 million–1.8 million (US$1.4 million–2.1 million).

David Polly, the president of the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, tells Nature that such pricey dinosaur auctions are becoming more common. “Any auction likely to generate a high market value is of concern, because science generally operates on a low budget,” he said. “We don’t have money to pay people to collect fossils or to buy them on the open market.”

The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology is asking the auction house, Aguttes, to cancel the sale. “Fossil specimens that are sold into private hands are lost to science,” a May 17 letter explains, arguing that “scientifically important vertebrate fossils are part of our collective natural heritage and deserve to be held in public trust.”

More:
https://qz.com/1295534/dinosaur-skeleton-auctions-mean-that-important-fossils-are-going-to-rich-people-instead-of-museums/

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Rich people are buying up dinosaurs because museums are too poor to get them (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2018 OP
Actually, since there's no money for museums and scientists MineralMan Jun 2018 #1
This is a reasonable idea. I suppose it depends on the buyer. dameatball Jun 2018 #3
My sister collects fossils and allows scientists to study them csziggy Jun 2018 #4
Too cool! Amateur collectors have made many important finds. MineralMan Jun 2018 #5
True - and my sister is always happy to allow examination of her collection csziggy Jun 2018 #6
"Open the door/Get on the floor/Everybody buy a dinosaur..." regnaD kciN Jun 2018 #2

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
1. Actually, since there's no money for museums and scientists
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 03:30 PM
Jun 2018

to buy these fossils, nobody would know they exist, except for wealthy people buying them. Instead of whining about it, they should be contacting the buyers and requesting permission to study them.

They aren't necessarily lost to science. They're just in private hands, private owners who can afford to buy them, which leads to their discovery in the first place.

It's a dilemma, but it has a solution. Either get a budget to acquire such specimens, or talk to the buyers about studying them.

csziggy

(34,140 posts)
4. My sister collects fossils and allows scientists to study them
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 10:17 PM
Jun 2018

Most of her collection are ones she found. Sometimes she bought collections from fellow fossil hunters who needed the money.

She does allow study of fossils in her collection and if they are of scientific importance she has donated them to museums.

In fact, that is how she got a species named after her!

Rhizosmilodon fiteae
Quick Facts

Common Name: Fite’s saber-tooth cat

Rhizosmilodon fiteae is a small-sized, saber-toothed cat known only from Florida; but most species of felids have large geographic ranges, so it would not be surprising to find its fossils in other areas of North America.

Rhizosmilodon fitae weighed about 165 lbs., the same as a medium-sized, modern jaguar (Panthera onca) or slightly larger than an average modern cougar (Puma concolor).

It was most likely primarily an ambush predator, and probably preferred prey such as deer, peccaries, small tapirs, and small horses.


UF 124634, holotype right mandible of Rhizosmilodon fitae with canine and first molar, from the Whidden Creek Site, Polk Co., Florida. Above, lateral view; below, medial view.

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/florida-vertebrate-fossils/species/rhizosmilodon-fiteae

MineralMan

(146,351 posts)
5. Too cool! Amateur collectors have made many important finds.
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 09:46 AM
Jun 2018

When they buy fossils, as well, that doesn't mean that the specimen is not available to scientists, either. It is a big feather in a rich collector's cap if a rare or unique fossil example is studied and has papers written about it. That increases knowledge, as well as increasing the value of the specimen.

csziggy

(34,140 posts)
6. True - and my sister is always happy to allow examination of her collection
Sun Jun 3, 2018, 10:54 AM
Jun 2018

It adds to her knowledge.

She got access for the fossil club she is in to visit sites they would not have been able to get to. Dad was a well known phosphate mining engineer and we all went to school with people who worked at the phosphate mines. She stayed in touch with a lot of her classmates so she used those contacts to get into the mining pits when they weren't being worked.

The Whidden Creek site where the Rhizosmilodon fiteae specimen was found was one of those phosphate pits if I remember correctly.

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