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Sex - It's really really complicated (Original Post) Xipe Totec Jan 2019 OP
If I have never had sex with a bird, do I still need to read all this? dameatball Jan 2019 #1
Good one JDC Jan 2019 #2
It's not customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #3
Setting aside the funny reply, and it is funny. Xipe Totec Jan 2019 #5
A platypus, a zebra finch and a komodo dragon walked into a bar.....:) Interesting post for sure. dameatball Jan 2019 #7
Not sure that's entirely right. Igel Jan 2019 #8
As I said, it's really, really complicated. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2019 #9
Interesting topic Midnightwalk Jan 2019 #4
You hit the nail in the head. See my reply above. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2019 #6

dameatball

(7,411 posts)
1. If I have never had sex with a bird, do I still need to read all this?
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 09:01 PM
Jan 2019

Thanksgiving not included of course.

Xipe Totec

(43,892 posts)
5. Setting aside the funny reply, and it is funny.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 10:05 PM
Jan 2019

Think about it this way:

Mammals and birds diverged before sexual differentiation was established. Then they developed sex through convergent evolution.

Sex is such an evolutionary advantageous strategy that it has evolved multiple times throughout life.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
8. Not sure that's entirely right.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:22 PM
Jan 2019

Or, more accurately put, entirely necessary or observationally adequate.

It can be claimed that they they diverged before the two current systems were established.

Or maybe not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determination_system#Evolution

Since argumentatio ex wiki seems in vogue.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
4. Interesting topic
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 10:01 PM
Jan 2019

Thanks for posting this it gave me some interesting things to read about.

Learned there are 3 main systems, XY where the male has two different chromosomes and determine the sex of the offspring; X0 where the male gives an X or no chromosome; XW where the male is XX and the female determines sex by whether the egg has an X or W chromosome

Also read a little about X inactivation which prevents too much transcription of those genes in XY systems.

What surprised me most is it sounds like these systems exist in species that are unrelated. There are mammals with X0 systems and reptiles with XY. ZW systems exist in insects, reptiles and birds.

That sounds like these systems must have evolved multiple times? The wiki articles didn’t talk about about that aspect, at least I didn’t see it.

Sorry if I got any of this wrong. Interesting stuff.

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